Talk:Californication (album)

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[edit] Themes Introduced

Californication definitely was not the album to introduce drugs as a theme in Kiedis' writing. One Hot Minute's first track has a lot to do with drugs. Death was featured on Mother's Milk (knock me down) and One Hot Minute (Tearjerker/Transcending) so i dont' think that that was feautred either 24.16.192.56 (talk) 21:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

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This album is notorious among audio enthusiasts for poor mastering, and was the second loudest album ever released by a major label at the time it came out (second to Raw Power by Iggy and the Stooges). Shouldn't that be mentioned somewhere? Graue 03:30, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] mo,cause

i think that doesnt matter very much, graue, because that the audience can't here the difference. I think someone should add the numbers of sold records. thx, kevinhecken,wilsenroth, germany ( i wrote the german article about Californication )

Everybody can hear the clipping in "Otherside" for instance. This album is a piece of crap, it's just not listenable. I don't understand how the artists can tolerate record companies screwing it up like this. 83.118.38.37 19:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] One hot Minute

Wait, why does the One Hot Minute page say that it got generally good reviews, and then this article says that Californication brought RHCP back from it's bad One Hot Minute reviews...?

Something doesn't add up! --Discharger12 03:44, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Another point about One Hot Minute - it seems to get overlooked in this article. It was that album, not Californication, that was the first one in the Chilis catalogue to feature a "strongly reduced number of rapped tracks" and add "heavy psychedelic influences" (both in tracks such as "Warped", "Transcending" and "One Hot Minute"). I could also argue that Californication was not at all "vastly different from its predecessors". If anything it is just One Hot Minute with a more commercially accessible sound.

Loganator, 20:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I feel the same, i hate OHM haters, massive backlash against it but BTW and SA are radio friendly albums which get lauded critically.

[edit] The 11th track

I just visited RHCP's site and saw that the 11th track from "Californication" is entitled "The Velvet Glove", not "This Velvet Glove". The cover of my album reads "This Velvet Glove". So which one is it? I'm getting really confused... By the way in [link to copyvio website removed] the song is listed under both names.

It's This Velvet Glove. The RHCP site is in a bit of disarray right now since the switch to the new format. For example, on the new album it says Billy Preston played piano on a track which he clearly played a different instrument, namely the clavinet. Cory 75.2.43.242 19:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] B-Sides, Outtakes and Non-Album Tracks

I changed the formatting of this section to match that of Stadium Arcadium's page, it looks a bit cleaner and has more info like where the song can be found on an official release. I have the CD singles so I added the song length from the inlay. Also, Parallel Universe on the Around The World single is a studio demo so I added that too. It isn't listed as a studio demo though, just as a Non LP Track, so I just left it as is. In case anyone prefers the old look I've saved the code and will reinstate it if anyone objects to the changes I've made, but personally I think it looks a lot better and gives the pages a uniform look. JedEgan 22:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow. That's a lot. Thanks; incredibly helpful of you. G.AC 22:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation of Album title

If you've read the Kiedis Autobiography, it is pretty clearly explained why he came up with Californication, and its prior meaning-as a cross between "California" and "Fornication" was in no way implied by Kiedis. I don't see why it needs to pointed out at the top of the page, in its irrelevance. Maybe somewhere else, but not at the top-it implies that the Prior meaning was the intended one. Just a thought. G.AC 13:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

yeah to bad keidis didn't come up with the term as it's existed since the 70's.65.43.223.8 (talk) 15:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Savior

Everyone's got a quirky track they love, and this is mine. But what's it about ?? - a friend who comes to one's rescue or a loftier messianic idea ? Contributions welcome.John.McDougall 09:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I always thought of it about Hillel Slovak- actually, listening to the lyrics carefully right now, i'm certain it's that. There are lots of lines suggesting this but i'll try and find a reference. Mz.Kiedis 11:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sound quality

This section in the article is in my opinion a fair criticism of the album, but I don't think it belongs in the article as even after extensive searching I've only been able to find one minor mention of it as a source to back it up. Does anyone have any references for this, and if not, does anyone object to me removing it in a few days or so? KamrynMatika 05:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

In fact, I sourced it and moved it into the critical recognition section. Hope nobody minds :) KamrynMatika 05:49, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review - Pass

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  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
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    a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
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    a Pass/Fail:

Although the album is strong as it is, perhaps it would be possible to include sections on lyrical/musical themes in the album. This extension would make the article far more informative. See this article for an example. Well done! ck lostsword|queta!|Suggestions? 12:12, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey there, thanks a lot! :) It's cool that the first article I made proper changes to has become GA. I agree with your comments - as I was reading the sources one big theme that jumped out at me was that they all commented on how the album sounded a lot different to its predecessors, so I'm working on including that. I can't find much commentary about the lyrics, but that's hardly surprising as half of the Chili Peppers' songs don't even make sense. Finding information on the internet isn't as easy as I'd have thought as the album was released eight years ago and most archives don't go back that far, but I'll search around anyways. Thanks again! Kamryn Matika 16:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Just a small point. When reading this: "While most of the album progressed rapidly, Californication remained a difficult song to put together. Frusciante felt compelled to write an appropriate guitar ensemble to accompany the powerful lyrics, but encountered difficulty in finding the correct match. lyrics."; what is meant by "match. lyrics"? CloudNine 11:36, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Appears to have been a minor typo. Fixed. NSR77 (Talk|Contribs) 16:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FA

I think this article might be ready for FAC soon, based on the comments in the peer review and the fact that all the concerns have been addressed. Is there anything else to be done first? Kamryn Matika 04:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

As of July 7, 2007, it's now a Featured Article. :) NSR77 TC 02:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Good job guys. Looks good :) Xihix 16:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Track info

--More to do with the individual songs than the album as a whole, but I think improvements could be made by creating articles - however brief - for many more tracks: At the moment only 6 out of the 15 songs have links to info on them and I think this is something that could be added to in order to improve the RHCP Wikiproject. Mz.Kiedis 11:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

No, those articles were removed because there are no sources with which to write them from and they are not notable. 86.138.190.41 18:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chart information references

Wikitable code is hard enough to read as it is without citeweb templates cluttering it up, so I moved all the links to the general 'references' section. Feel free to revert me if you think it's a heinous idea. Kamryn · Talk 08:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Not heinous, I just feel it looks too cluttered with this giant redirect dump in the Reference section. Regards, NSR77 TC 02:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I think you misunderstand slightly - your edit summary says "must be sourced", which is correct as it is sourced. However, for uncontroversial and easily verifiable information like this, inline citations aren't required. However, do what you think is best :o) Kamryn · Talk 05:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emit Remmus

I have asked for citation for where it says the guitar part of emit remmus is backwards as I have seen clips of them playing this song live and it sounds exactly the same as on the album. This obviously wouldn't be possible if the guitar part was reversed. Also I can't find any reliable sources that agree with the statement. I'll remove it if no-one can provide a good source. --LeakeyJee 15:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Album cover

Does anyone know who did the album cover art? I expected it to be in the article...--79.68.36.147 (talk) 20:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)