Talk:Californication (TV series)

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Contents 1 Kapinos bio 2 Pop Culture References 3 Episode synopsis 4 This article is... 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Californication Title Ep2.jpg 6 Links deleted 7 Censorship 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Californication Title Ep2.jpg 9 reaction 10 Legal action by the Red Hot Chili Peppers 11 Risky Business removal 12 References to Popular Culture section

[edit] Kapinos bio

"Tom Kapinos, former manager at Blockbuster and long time resident of Long Island has been writing creatively in California for over a decade. Tom was born on July 12, 1969." This doesn't belong on the main page but is a start for someone who wants to write an article on him. WindsorFan 10:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I thought it not irrelevant to add a link to The World According to the TV Critics, in which Brent Bozell characterizes the first episode's initial scene in front of an altar as a "blatant display of anti-Christian bigotry, insulting to the core the Catholic Church." Asteriks 16:42, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

70.59.88.144 07:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC) washtub80 8-22 I think that characterizing the show as a writer controlled by drugs and sex really moves the show from its core principals as a dark comedy and instead makes is seem like a porno drama. The show obviously wants the character to have his flaws but drugs are not one of them and the underlying root of his problems are not sex. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.59.88.144 (talk) 07:46, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pop Culture References

I originally added the mention of Slayer albums as Hank's book titles. It was then edited to include the context, which was great, but I changed the book names back to italics, from quotes, which is the proper style. And I also massaged the phrasing a little. Stormj 02:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I deleted the reference to the quote being from The Clash, it is apparent in the quote that it is from the clash, no explanation is needed. "To quote the Clash..."

The title of the season 1 finale 'the last waltz' is a reference to a farewell concert by The Band. The wiki page on it says it all:
"The Last Waltz was a concert by the Canadian-American rock group, The Band, held on Thanksgiving Day, November 25, 1976, at Winterland Ballroom in San Francisco. Billed as a "farewell" concert after 16 years of touring,[1] The Band was joined by more than a dozen special guests, including Eric Clapton, Neil Diamond, Bob Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison, Ringo Starr, Muddy Waters, Dr. John, Ronnie Hawkins and Neil Young."
Someone might want to ad it to the pop reference section. Im not gonna do it myself, cause im not to great with the layout thing.--82.92.99.177 00:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

The trivia section says the following: "All three of Hank's novels, South of Heaven, Seasons in the Abyss, and God Hates Us All are the names of Slayer albums. If this tradition is continued, Hank's next novel will probably be called Christ Illusion since this is the album that follows God Hates Us All." That second sentence is unnecessary, is it not?98.200.6.244 (talk) 18:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Episode synopsis

Why were these deleted? IanLamberson 21:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

If you find out who got rid of them I can take a look into it. I think the episode synopses should remain, too. Scarian^Talk 21:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Californication_%28TV_series%29&diff=next&oldid=158887274 *one more night*^{talk/contribs} 22:16, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Scarian^Talk 22:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

The episode synopses were removed from the main page and relocated to List of Californication episodes were they belong. There are now, also, individual entries for each episode, which are linked on the list of episodes page. The main article about the show should include a summary of the entire season, while more detailed summaries should be placed on the episode entries. — Steven Andrew Miller (talk) 23:10, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

See The Sopranos for reference. — Steven Andrew Miller (talk) 23:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

No of course, I understand now. Thanks for pointing that out. But to be a bit logical, Soprano's has 86 episodes whilst little Californication here has a mere 12 for now. Oh, I was looking through some of the episode articles, a little heads up might be in order as they may all receive the same fate as the X-Files episodes(Being deleted for not expressing notability). Scarian^Talk 23:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I am aware of that, and it is a concern of mine. I hope, when I have some more free time to expand the articles significantly. (I hope other editors will, as well!) For now, my hope is to fly under the radar, so to speak, of the deletionists. — Steven Andrew Miller (talk) 00:03, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The problem before was that there was no reference to the episodes whatsoever. I wasn't aware that there was a separate article for them because it wasn't linked. It's all good now though. :) *one more night*^{talk/contribs} 03:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it was linked. In the infobox it says "No. of episodes 12 (List of episodes)" but it could be more clear. — Steven Andrew Miller (talk) 22:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Clear is important otherwise it just gets forgotten. Perhaps it should be italicised somewhere? Scarian^Talk 22:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article is...

... amazingly terrible. Except for a seemingly random lists of items relevant to "popular culture", it says nothing about the show. Surely we can do better than this? - Ta bu shi da yu 12:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I think I have to agree but for different reasons. It reads like an advertisement for the show. --Mokru 20:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Californication Title Ep2.jpg

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BetacommandBot 03:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Rationale is there you damned dirty bot. — 60.241.67.229 12:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Links deleted

Hi, I just added two links to this page and they where deleted. I do know that these links will have nothing to do with the pageranks and that is not why I added them. The website and forum I added are the only fansites out there and they are information sources and places people can come together and talk. Please let me know if I can add the links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Worldwidegirl86 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

As stated at WP:LINKS, links to discussion forums are not allowed.V-train 20:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The website has no content, merely a link to the forum. The forum, as noted above, isn't allowed per WP:EL. Beyond that, it only has 6 registered members so it isn't as though it is a high traffic website. IrishGuy ^talk 21:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Censorship

Channel 10 in Australia recently aired episode 10 where bits of the 3-some scene was cut during the part where the girl squirts over Charlie's face & the girls barge through the door. As I don't tend to watch it on Channel 10 very often I'm not sure if this is the only scene they've censored. Dunno if someone wants to add a paragraph or 2 on censorship in Australia & other countries - Dizrythmia

75% of advertisers did not withdraw adverts due to New Zealand screening. None of the citations back up this claim. Citations indicate this may have been added by a family first affiliate.

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Californication Title Ep2.jpg

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Fixed. --84.178.118.242 17:49, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] reaction

Bit concerned that the reaction section concerns itself disproportionaly with the reaction of the religious right in the US, and Australaia, it almost reads as if this the only reaction worth mentioning when these groups are actually just a tiny minority of the potential audience and also as the reaction is likely to actually represent the views not of these groups but of the few individuals that have actually watched the program. Suggest the reactions are removed or supplementented with a large number of reactions from the mainstream.--82.69.113.120 21:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, there's probably a good chance that the only reactions [Negative] were from the far religious right. But I do agree, there should be a balance between favourable and not-so-favourable reactions. I'll have a look tomorrow. Scarian^Talk 22:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legal action by the Red Hot Chili Peppers

The sentence about the lawsuit by the Red Hot Chili Peppers seems biased. It only states the accusations of the band and does not include the fact that Californication is a term that has been used for decades. There is a Wikipedia page dedicated to the term with references of its use going back to the 40s. TIME magazine had an article published on August 21st, 1972 titled "The Great Wild Californicated West" that used the term. Also, there is no mention of the fact that the Red Hot Chili Peppers never trademarked the term they claim to be their "signature".

[edit] Risky Business removal

I removed this section from trivia:

• In Episode 8, there is a scene when Hank Moody is with his father while on the set of a film production and is having an argument with the director. The scene intimates that Moody is the writer of the film Risky Business, as a Tom Cruise character can be clearly seen, in a typical cruise pose, on the screens behind him and a Rebecca De Mornay character is then introduced to Moody's father.

(obviously both this and my reply constitute "original research" but I wrote it to explain my actions to the poster in the name of fairness) Actually, the flashback is to the filming of "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" the movie that was made from Moody's anti-God book. Yes, the actor is supposed to make us think of Cruise, but it's not "Risky Business." Been a few weeks, so I can't remember the blond, but on the monitors you also see the Katie Holmes lookalike.

This is a prime example of why the "no original research" rule is in effect - the poster provides no documentation. It's like in a few years there will be folks who will claim that the line "I like it when balls are in my face" from 40 Year Old Virgin is a reference to "Borat" when in fact Virgin came out a year before. SteveCoppock (talk) 00:48, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References to Popular Culture section

I think this whole section needs to be either:

A) Removed entirely per WP:TRIVIA as it's just random unsourced "information"

Or

B) Condensed and cut down to things we can source and prove.

Basically, what happens is, users come along and add their own WP:OR observations. I just think it needs to be removed entirely or cut down. Thoughts? Scarian^{Call me Pat} 15:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I think pop culture references saturate the show and should be noted. Obviously, the OR nature of the section leaves a lot to be desired. I think the best way to deal with a pop cultrue section is to de-trivialise it by converting it from list to prose and condensing the items thematically. Items such as direct song references would be an example of one such potential paragraph. What this could really use is sourced third party discussion of the content. Skomorokh ^incite 22:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with you Skomorokh. I'll try and bring up a list of the more important points in that section when I have time and we can sift through them. Thanks for the reply, friend! Scarian^{Call me Pat} 08:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea to move all of the pop culture references to the pages of the individual episodes in which they refer to (including the significance of each episode title), this would not only make everything look nice, but would provide a way to keep everything organized for future submissions. MalachXaviel (talk) 13:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

That seems pretty good to me. I'll have a go at that tomorrow! Thanks for the suggestion! Scarian^{Call me Pat} 22:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Penultimate episode just before the end when Hank is asleep he has a Kafka book on his chest. Needs reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.171.129.77 (talk) 19:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)