Talk:Brahmic family of scripts

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[edit] Text from VfD

Indic alphabets - unnessesary. Vancouverguy 19:38, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Is it possible to make it a redirect? Once the language is deciphered (if possible), this article will be useful. wshun 00:41, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Could possibly redirect to Devanagari, but that's not the only Indic script; there's also Tamil and Kannada-Telugu. - Efghij 02:20, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- There are lots of different scripts used in India. We should have an overview article for them. I don't see why this couldn't become one. It looks a half-way decent attempt at a start. I see no reason to delete it. -- Oliver P. 12:53, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Should at the least be a stub and links to the other relevant articles (and there are a few) -- Jake 02:10, 2003 Aug 20 (UTC)

Since Indic alphabets has now been merged with Brahmic family and redirected here, I expect the above is all rather irrelevant, but there it is anyway. -- Oliver P. 01:13, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Vowel signs

This bullet point:

'u' is written below, short 'i' is written to the left if distinct from long 'i'.

looks dubious to me. I assume it doesn't fit all scripts of the brahmic family. Pjacobi 22:21, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC) This is very much true of the majority of Brahmic scripts. --Kadooshka 05:24, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Relation of Aramaic to Indic scripts

When the relation between the Aramaic and Indic scripts is still shrouded in controversy and debate, why are Indic scripts mentioned under the Aramaic script in the History of Scripts? Is that not presenting a biased point of view? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iyerakshay (talk • contribs) 09:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Semitic?

I thought it was thought to be Aramaic, as it was the lingua franca of the ancient world. Although its not proven either so perhaps its best to keep it broad. Khirad 13:50, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] IPA

The list of IPA characters for Indic script letters is not suitable because pronunciation of consonants in Indic languages varies. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 20:06, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Sukh here. Unless we specify that these IPA values are accurate for Sanskrit only, they should not be included. It's misleading. --SameerKhan 20:42, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

When I inserted the table I put 'Pronunciation is taken from Sanskrit where possible, but other languages where necessary,' which is needed because of letters like Tamil ழ whose sounds are not present in Sanskrit. If we want to be precise, we could specify which are from Sanskrit and which for other languages. Moszczynski 16:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I've noticed this also! Tuncrypt 14:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The IPA is still here. As others above have indicated, it is grossly misleading to have this column, since pronunciations are different between different languages. Even within one script, such as Devanagari, the pronunciation of ऋ differs between Classical Sanskrit and Modern Hindi. Seems like something should be done? Grover cleveland (talk) 18:42, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seeking help and contribution

Dear Wikipedians,

We apreciate your valuable contribution in article named Wikipedia:Indic transliteration scheme on english WIkipedia.

We at Marathi Language wikipedia do not have enough expertise to update IPA related info in our article, specialy we have been unable to import/update IPA templates and do not know how to use IPA symbols.Please click here-this link- to provide help to update "IPA transliteration for Indic Languages" article for Marathi wikipedia

We seek and request for help in updating above mentioned article and would like to know relevant resources and refferences in respect of Devanagari and IPA .

Thanks and Regards

Mahitgar 16:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indic scripts

redirect to this page? Doldrums 13:37, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Please modify the UTF-8 used here. This page is utterly un viewable on a MAC!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Odzer (talk • contribs) 17:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

IMO that is not a useful generalization. The default configurations of all current operating systems lack support of some of these scripts. I am running MacOS 10.4.11 and I have researched and downloaded all the free Unicode fonts necessary to view every character in this article. It was some work, but well worth it to me. Leave a note at my Talk page if you’d like my font recommendations. MJ (t • c) 03:48, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tamil letters

Tamil letter ஃ is missing in the table. also ஜ, ஸ, ஷ, ஹ are not tamil letters but wrongly been included in the table. These things have to be fixed--Ravishankar 11:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First Brahmi inscription south India

First brahmi inscription of south india is in Brahmagiri edict where kannada words are found. Brahmagiri edicts are by Ashoka. I want to edict the earliest known Brahmi inscription to this one. Any objections meghamitra 12:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First Brahmi inscription is on Bhattiprolu stupa

Buddhism and Brahmi script spread from Bihar via Orissa to coastal Andhra first. Sala kingdom ruling from Bhattiprolu was the earliest dynasty in South India which existed even before Mauryans. The Brahmi progenitor of Telugu-Kannada script with a few Telugu words was found on the Bhattiprolu stupa. The display boards in National Museum (New Delhi) clearly mention Bhattiprolu script first and evolution of Telugu-Kannada script from it. Historians know the script as Telugu-Kannada script but use of Kannada words to denote this script smacks of bias.Kumarrao 06:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

what is the age of bottiporulu inscriptions can you site any sources. meghamitra 13:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

---Bhattiprolu stupa and surrounding structures existed since pre-Mauryan times (4th century). The stupa was constructed before Asokan period. A small kingdom with the capital at Pratipalapura (Bhattiprolu) was the earliest known kingdom in south India. Kumarrao 12:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vowels or consonants

Why are there two "r"s and two "l"s that can be used as vowels? Le Anh-Huy 10:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

The question is not meaningful unless you turn it around: These scripts do have these vowels; the question is why vowel sounds are transliterated with Latin consonants. They are simply the closest sounds available in the alphabet. They are all retroflex, as indicated by the dot under the letter in transliteration. See Approximant_consonant. MJ (t • c) 13:58, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No dispute

There is no dispute regarding "Telugu-Kannada script". There is abundant evidence (at least 6 authentic references) now. In fact, the use of "Old Kannada" must be discontinued as it was fabricated by biased people, which crept into webpages such as those run by Adluri and Lawrence. Gnanapiti must refrain from reverting my edit supported by citations. Kumarrao 07:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

---If Gnanapiti continues to revert my edits I shall seek a block against him.Kumarrao 18:57, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't start another edit war now. Your words are not final. Let everybody reach consensus on Talk:Telugu script and based on the consensus we'll change all articles. And no, don't even try to scare me with your hoax threatenings. Because I care a squat about your threatenings. I'm reverting your edits back. Gnanapiti 19:02, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

---This reply reveals your true nature.Kumarrao 11:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Gnanapiti, may I remind you of WP:CIVIL which you should adhere to regardless of the situation. You are an experienced editor and should know better. Gizza^Discuss ^© 07:17, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

---Retained the old version which talks of 'Old Kannada' and readded my input with citations, which was being persistenly deleted/reverted by User:Gnanapiti. I hope he will be satisfied now.Kumarrao 07:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Be reasonable

Gnanapiti,

As explained above, I have retained the original version. New references that came to light in favour of Telugu-Kannada script are readded without disturbing the main body. Why do you persist in reverting my edits? Is there any reason? Why do you do this without discussion? Is wiki your playground?Kumarrao 07:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Issue has been explained to you n times by n number of editors. I can't repeat the same thing again, again, again again and again. There is a dispute going on in Talk:Telugu script regarding the same issue and that has to be resolved first. Once the consensus is reached by all, we'll work together and change all articles according to consensus. Till then, don't push your POV in articles relating the issue. Now, please revert your edits back. By the way, why don't you work on resolving the issue in Talk:Telugu script? Unless you or User:Altruism reply there, that issue is not going to move forward. Dispute can't be resolved just by one side involved in it. And till the dispute is not resolved, don't make changes in articles. Gnanapiti 07:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

---There is no dispute. There are plenty of authentic citations in favour of "Telugu-Kannada". I do agree that there are a couple of citations in favour of "Old Kannada". The most reasonable thing to do is to have both with respective citations. Since there is widespread use of "Telugu-Kannada" by linguists, it should be given prominence while mentioning "Old Kannada" too. That is what I am doing? In the name of 'consensus' you are trying to stifle my voice. OK. I shall write this in Telugu script talk page too. Kumarrao 08:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)