Talk:BP Pedestrian Bridge

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 BP Pedestrian Bridge is currently a good article nominee. An editor has placed this article on hold to allow improvements to be made in order to satisfy the good article criteria. Recommendations have been left on the review page, and editors have seven days to address these issues. Improvements made in this period will influence the reviewer's decision whether or not to list the article as a good article.

Date: 23:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
A fact from BP Pedestrian Bridge appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 5 June 2008.
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[edit] Pictures

First off, thanks for creating this page as well as the Millennium Park template. Both were desperately needed. Secondly, I was wondering if you think all 5 of these images currently in the article are needed. I think one of the pictures of the park and one of the pictures on the bridge would be enough. More than that in the article makes it a little cluttered in my opinion, plus I added them all to the its commons page. I think I'm going to take a picture of the bridge from Upper Randolph for the infobox picture. With these 3 images, all of the main points would be illustrated beautifully. Torsodog (talk) 07:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I would appreciate an image for the infobox. I have one from Randolph on the day of the Chicago Marathon, which is not really proper for the main image. As the text gets longer more images are useful. I would agree to remove one of the two that are at a similar angle facing northwest. Probably the one on the bridge because the other shows the outside.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
P.S. Given the image that we have, I think from Randolph you would need to zoom in with a landscape photo to make a good main image.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
We could also use an image of the steel shingles.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

This isn't a GA review, but I have a quick comment that I know would probably come up in a review. The image layout isn't too good, at lease on my screen, and all the text is squeezed into narrow columns. Is it possible to just stick to one image per section, if not less? Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:26, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

What resolution are you using and are you using full screen viewing?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Templates

I removed WP:WPVA and added several templates. I believe the bridge is a work of art, but am not sure it properly falls under the Visual arts project. Comments appreciated.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:00, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:BP Pedestrian Bridge/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review. GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    Well written but I have a few issues:
  • Introduction "Additionally, it serves acoustic and functional needs." seems awkward. Either expand this sentence or remove it.
  • Details "It contains large sculptural plates of curvilinear stainless steel." again, same issue. Try explaining what "curvilinear" might look like (good luck with that) or add something which might tell us why this is unique, important, or relevant.
    • Again, not sure how much is needed here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:05, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
      • This sentence just seems out of place to me. You don't need to go overboard, just try to make the sentence relevant instead of just saying that it "has curvilinear plates" which doesn't really explain much. When I get time I will see what I can do for it. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 08:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
        • I imaging an architect, engineer, or metalwork guy might specifically describe the specific severity of the curve. I have no information on that. I especially think there is some detail regarding curvilinear plates and flat interlocking panel discussion later. I do not understand the detail any further than what I have written though.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Details "it is built to highway standards and can uphold a full capacity load of pedestrians." what exactly is a "full capacity load of pedestrians"? Tell us how much weight it can handle or how many average persons it can support, just be more specific in general.
    • I am a guy who writes articles on all things Chicago. I am working from a reference in a Chicago newspaper, where the quote is "You could fill that whole thing up with people wall to wall and it would be fine. It's built to highway standards". If I were a bridge guy, an architect, or an engineer, I would probably know how to do what you are asking. There are probably bridge specs in terms of amount of weight it is capable of holding. I imagine descriptions is architectural or engineering sources may describe this in detail. I do not have such sources at my disposal.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Details "The city not only mandates that the bridge be swept and washed daily, but also that the railings be wiped free of fingerprints." The previous sentence mentions the bridge was designed without standard handrails, yet the "rails" must be wiped daily? I changed this to "guard rails" so no action here is necessary, just wanted to point that out.
    • You must be a bridge guy, or architect.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
      • lol, No. But I do specialize in the Transportation category of articles and technical details are important in articles of these types. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 08:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Construction "22-gauge stainless steel #316 with an angel hair finish..." As far as I know, sentences shouldn't start with a number. Try rearranging this sentence for better flow. I'm also left wondering where this sheet metal was used, on the exterior? And I have no idea what #316 is, try explaining what it looks like.
  • Construction "installed a custom #4 brushed stainless steel handrail on the bridge" what is #4 brushed stainless steel? Also, the previous paragraph mentions there were no "standard handrails" designed for the bridge, which kinda contradicts this sentence. Please expound on these topics.
  • Construction "by California SMACNA for the project" what is the SMACNA?
  • Construction "The original landscaping surrounding the bridge did not seem aesthetic." I changed this to "asthetically pleasing" but it would also be nice to know who didn't think it was aesthetic enough and why.
  • Controversy "was closed until 7:00 A.M. the next day" I'm not really sure why the bridge was closed, a little more explanation would be helpful.
    • I assume there was a fear of vandalism from outraged Pavilion attendees. The reader kind of has to read between the lines.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
      • Just seems kind of odd to state that it was closed without giving a reason. You could add something stating that the attendees were outraged over being charged for seating or something to make it a little more clear. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 08:51, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
  1. B. MoS compliance:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    Overall, well written, well sourced, and well composed article. I like to see complete sentences in photo captions, but that is personal preference and not a GA requirement, so I'll let that pass. But captions are important as many people, when they first encounter an article, simpley skim thru and glance at the photos while reading the captions... this is where you have the chance to capture the reader's attention and draw them into reading the entire article. I tend to pay attention to photo captions more than anything when I am composing an article, I think they are the most important part. But that's just my advice. I would gladly pass this once the issues are addressed. I made some edits to the article and if I changed anything I shouldn't have please let me know or fix it. Thanks to all the contributors for their hard work in writing this article, especially Tony. --ErgoSum88 (talk) 23:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)