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Contents 1 Farm location 2 Neighborhood/Street 3 Proposed move 4 Bowery

[edit] Farm location

Not too sure about the meaning of this para (and see earlier revs).

This early farm was in today's Gramercy neighborhood near where East 15th and East 16th Streets crossed The Bowery. The farm house was located near what today is 1st Avenue and the road built by Peter Stuyvesant.

Looking for references now to write an explanation. Feel free to revert (as always) if I am missing something here. Caltrop 14:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neighborhood/Street

I think clearer identification of Bowery Street and its relation to the Bowery would be fitting. Even something like, "Bowery Street runs down the middle of the Bowery" (as it is, "Bowery Street" doesn't actually appear anywhere in the current version). I'm reluctant to add a seemingly obvious statement myself without more familiarity with the subject, like whether the name of the street or the disctrict preceded. ENeville 03:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Historically the Bowery has been recognized as the road to Peter Stuyvesant's Farm, as shown in the second map , http://www.forgotten-ny.com/Alleys/stuyvesant/stuy.html.

The name Bowery can also refer to the immediate area surrounding it, much in the same way "Broadway" often refers to the sidestreets that comprise the Theatre District. However, as a six lane throughfare. However, the Bowery tends to be more of boundry that separates and defines other neighborhoods, like the East Village, Noho, Little Italy, or Chinatown, rathar than a neighborhood in itself. Srosenstock 02:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I have to disagree because there is no "Bowery Street" it is just "Bowery", and if it were anything, it would be "Bowery Avenue" which sounds as ridiculous as saying "Broadway Avenue". This is why "Bowery Street" does not appear anywhere in the current version. Context makes clear whether one is referring to the street or the (very) small neighborhood, such as "I live in / on the Bowery" where the former is the neighborhood and the latter is the street. JesseRafe 03:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

It's also somewhat dubious to refer to the street as "Bowery" without the "the" in front of it. Yes, that's what the street signs say, but for that matter you wouldn't address a letter to "the Bronx, NY 10452," and yet if you said "I'm going to Bronx" people would be mystified as to what you were talking about.Mjj237 01:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, but would you care to cite and include a source in the article? Tinlinkin 09:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I also disagree. I live 3 blocks away, and I can tell you for sure that there is no Bowery Street. The street (or avenue, or whatever) is called "Bowery" or "The Bowery." Period.

[edit] Proposed move

[edit] Bowery

Two items: Could we reconsider the use of the term reviving (" However, since the 1990s the entire Lower East Side has been reviving.")? The Bowery and the Lower East Side have been vibrant artistic and activist communities all along. If we want to speak of the influx of wealth into the neighborhood, that would be more precise. less subjective. And fyi: Their existed a second African Burial Ground between Chrystie and Bowery near Stanton Street. Emilyn Brown, archivist, has done a great deal of research on it. Carolee Inskeep has an entry for it in her book The Graveyard Shift: A Family Historian's Guide to New York City Cemeteries (Orem, UT: Ancestry Publications, 2000). This African, Protestant Episcopal graveyard--also called Saint Philip's Cemetery--was used between 1795 and 1851. It was located on the west side of Chrystie Street at numbers 195 to 197, between Stanton and Rivington Streets and went two thirds through the block. To quote Inskeep, "When the African Burial Ground closed in 1794, an organization called The African Society asked the City of New York for a new burial ground. They were granted property on Chrystie Street. In 1827, it became the burial ground of Saint Philip's Church, Centre Street. Interments probably came to an end with the 1851 ban on burials below 86th Street in Manhattan. The bodies were removed to Cypress Hills Cemetery in 1863." --Bowerygal 14:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)