Talk:Boudewijn Zenden

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Boudewijn Zenden was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: September 29, 2006

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Contents 1 Early Years 2 Overlinking 3 Trivia Section 4 GA failed

[edit] Early Years

A whole 11 years of his playing career at several of Europes top clubs has been summed up in one sentence. His history should realy be expanded and put under a seperate heading. Dukeseee 23:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Overlinking

Before editing the infobox to have a link for every instance of "Liverpool" or "Middlesborough", please see WP:MOS-L.

An article is overlinked if "a link is excessively repeated in the same article; however, duplicating an important link distant from a previous occurrence is appropriate".

cheers, aLii 18:07, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

One link is overlinking, according to Template talk:Football player infobox#Wikilinking.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  18:13, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Not entirely true. Linking is "discouraged as most of these links will present themselves in the article's introduction". More often than not a player's entire career history is not linked to within the introduction. aLii 18:29, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia Section

I removed the trivia section and integrated that information into the main text. I've noticed that the music (bands) projects are trying to rid pages of "trivia" sections, as it doesn't belong in an encylopedia. Da-rb 20:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA failed

1. Well written? Fail

2. Factually accurate? Pass

3. Broad in coverage? Pass

4. Neutral point of view? Pass

5. Article stability? Pass

6. Images? Pass

Additional comments :

1. Born in 1976, Zenden played football and judo as a child ... can you play judo?
2. His father is Pierre Zenden, who is a former judoka and sports broadcaster for the NOS from 1968 to 2005[3]. how can the present tense be used if you add dates at the end of the sentence.
3. This, As his career developed at PSV Eindhoven, Zenden He would come to make the left wing position his own, displacing the promising talents of Peter Hoekstra, and finally taking the opportunity to become a firm member of the team after the departure of Jan Wouters., I don't understand and is packed with weasel and pov words (in bold).
4. Missing punctuation. Also the citations should go after the punctuation.
5. Needs a throughout copyedit for, in the article, the guy is glorified.
6. More weasel words through the article.
7. In He was included in the Dutch starting formation, and played the entire game, which ended in a 6-0 win., is the score necessary, I guess mentioning his stats would be better than.
8. A subsection like International goals is more trivia than anything else so it might be better to turn it into prose or eliminate if if really necessary.
9. Was he involved in any other activities/jobs/things that could broaden his article?

Lincher 19:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

1. Seems fixed
2. Seems fixed
3. Seems fixed
4. Could use a grammar hawk (citations fixed)
5. Copyedited, I see no overtly glorifying. (how does this compare to you passing it on criterium 4?)
6. Copyedited, I see no overtly glorifying.
7. Seems fixed (slight reword - it's relevant trivia)
8. International goals are of high importance to footballers, and listing them is no more trivial than displaying cup games for each individual season. I see no harm in listing these goals, especially as his most important national team goals (those in the international tournaments) are converted into prose.
9. I will leave this to people who know. Then again, he might not necessarily do "other things" as he is after all known for his footballing.

I think this should go some of the way towards GA status, but the grammar and a broader scope should still be worked on. Poulsen 15:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)