Talk:BMW 3 Series

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Will need an update from E46 to E90 models now that BMW has announced specifications of the four-door sedan. Stombs 23:38, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] More information

...is available at the link I've just added [1]. I used Fred Brossaud's PDF for building a good deal of the BMW Z1 page, and although the 325i PDF seems to be a bit smaller, I'm sure you'll find lots of obscure facts and production information. --Milkmandan 05:46, 2005 Jan 4 (UTC)

[edit] Too much US-centric

I'll start adding more euro-centric related information, especially regarding available versions, and changing the wording of the text so it focuses more on European aspects of the car. --Pc13 17:22, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The association with 'yuppies' and it's status as a prestigious range of cars is pretty much exclusive to the US. Throughout most of western europe it's just another small-saloon, albeit with a reputation for high built quality. 81.179.127.7 19:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How to divide info between Series pages and E pages?

Sfoskett and I are wondering how best to split information between the "series" BMW pages (BMW 3 Series, BMW 5 Series etc.) and the E number pages which describe individual generations (e.g. BMW E30, BMW E90). We seem to agree that the term "BMW 3 Series" in Wikipedia should not be seen to give undue prominence to cars that happen to be currently in production, just as the the current models of Porsche 911 or Range Rover pages should not dominate their pages. I feel we can make a useful distinction between the "phenomenon" of the 3 Series (etc.), which would talk about a) the place in the market the car tries to cover and the common variations (cabrio, coupé, sporty versions, racing versions) that have been features since 1975, and b) the technical specifics of each generation (model range, length, width, weight, suspension, engines used, photo, etc.). --Hotlorp 18:18, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Because there are so darn many BMW variations (engines, models, markets) and because each series seems to overlap so much, I would be in favor of moving all technical information (engines, sizes, markets) to the E pages and leaving only general prose ("The E39 generation...") in the Series pages. --SFoskett 21:21, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Grammatical Mechanics

"Consequently, BMW decided to leave well enough alone: while larger BMWs followed a more avant-garde Bangle style, the latest E90 is not a radical departure from the current model." Can someone think of a better way to phrase this? Removed from the article.

[edit] Missing Models

I know that there is also a 320Cd, and I'm sure there are other engine size diesel coupes in the E46 range, but none are mentioned in the model lists. i don't have the infomation on them to add them as entries, but either someone should add these models, or an incomplete list disclaimer needs to be added. Davepealing 10:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

There's like 4 pictures of the E90 sedan, but no picture of the E90 coupes or sport wagon

[edit] About "Awards"

Top Gear hasn't voted for the E90 as the ulgiest car, in fact in their page you find:

"BMW's compact exec is the must-drive for every management exec and corporate monkey. Got a nice end-of-year bonus? Buy a 3-series. It's the no-brain choice for the social climber.

Which should, by definition, make it a hateful status symbol. The only problem is that it's bloody good. The 3-series is practical and bullet-proof, but more importantly it's still fantastic to drive. "

Here's the link: http://www.topgear.com/drives/A4/E2/new/ [2]

And the article about ugliest cars:

http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/170/ [3]

I'm realy dissapointed about people misguiding others with the information given. It show the jealousy of some for this car. Personally I think the E90 is superb aesthetically, tougher if you may. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.211.203.200 (talk) 02:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

My bad, just researched the information regarding that espisode of Top Gear. Anyhow, please note, that in episode 4 season 6 of that same show, the 3 series was hailed as "the most important new car of the year". And the review of the car stated in general lines "a great machine with superb handling".

[edit] External Link

Hi i have currently made a new exotic car site here. I was wanting to add the relevant pages to relevant wiki pages and wondering if thats ok to do so? Please let me know. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard300187 (talk • contribs).

As long as it conforms to all criteria of WP:EL. At this time, I don't see it doing that simply because it doesn't really bring any unique information that the article doesn't already provide. What you could do, though, (and really what everyone should do) is provide the linking to this article through dmoz. Dmoz functionality has been set up with this article and all external links should go through it at this point. I would highly suggest reading up on dmoz. Roguegeek (talk) 18:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quick Facts

I think this section is redundant. It simply restates info from the short paragraph directly above. If no one has any objections I will remove them tomorrow. --Daniel J. Leivick 05:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Objection. A lot of information is confusing to new people who don't spend their life looking up long words in dictionaries. It is easy & quick to just give people some quick, non-confusing facts.
What "long words" specifically are the problem. The intro para. is easy to read if you ask me and if there is a particular part that is confusing it should be fixed. The quick facts section just rehashes the lead in list form, it isn't any easier to understand. --Daniel J. Leivick 17:30, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is the Quick Facts back? Not only is this redundant, it is inaccurate.Qwazywabbit 16:40, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
They are back because User:Wjs13 (creator of the BMW Mercedes Benz project) and his anon IPs continue to revert their removal despite multiple editors complaints. --Daniel J. Leivick 20:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] history and marketing expansion.

needed to "fill in" gaps on history and social relevance the 3 series has. Mostly U.S. centric. This still needs a Euro perspective to complete. I am working to incorporate the import history of the model to the U.S. beginning in 1968 with Max Hoffmann.(Qwazywabbit 20:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC))

The "History" section is dangerously close to the script from BMW's own film. --Bud 09:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

What film, so I can check it out for myself.QwazywabbitMsg me 20:32, 29 August 2007 (UTC)