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[edit] "Don't Talk to Strangers" cover

BG recorded a cover of Dio's "Don't Talk to Strangers" for the compilation album "Holy Dio - A Tribute To the Voice Of Metal: Ronnie-James Dio" in 1999. It doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere on the page. Shouldn't it be? Gueneverey 05:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Garbage

The writing, information, viewpoint, etc etc etc of this article was laughably bad and inappropriate so I tried to fix much of it. Please do not revert. If any reversion is made I hope that someone will undo it. Before I came along this was astonishingly lame fanboy fawning. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.40.79.162 (talk) 07:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

Laughably awesome. An epic army of musicians! Miserlou 03:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christian-Metal

I personally believe that Blind Guardian is somewhat Christian-Metal because on most of their albums, they have at least one, if not more songs about The Bible or Jesus. If you have any conflicting beliefs, please tell me them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.43.180.69 (talk • contribs) 2007-07-15 02:59:54

Well, to quote the band's FAQ:
First and foremost, Blind Guardian is not a Christian band!
The term is generally understood to not include music that incorporates Christian motifs in a secular fashion. —Piet Delport 02:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
To the unknown editor that gives his/her opinion about if Blind Guardian is or is not a christian band.I think not, because they always had made their work about fantasy, but the references about Jesus and the Bible would be originated by the metaforical way of Tolkien´s work to link the stories of Middle Earth and its spiritual emviroment with the biblical passages. We shall remember that J.R.R.Tolkien was a Christian Catholic, so in my humble opinion that is the reason to the fact already mentioned.--Dardón López J.R. 03:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
They probably have some Christian members, but I would agree that they are not a Christian band in the traditional meaning of the term.

I think that their first name, Lucifer's Heritage, clearly indicates that they are not christian, it's much too... well, you see what I mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.117.116.190 (talk) 11:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

To clear this up Hansi is a moderate Christian. The rest of the members lack a belief in god. You can find this information on The Following in the interviews section. Metaleks (talk) 08:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, Hansi describes himself as a "faithful, critical Christian." However, I have my doubts that the rest of the band members are completely non-religious. I wasn't able to find anything suggesting such at The Following. Shralla (talk) 08:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
It was said somewhere that Marcus and Andre are both non-religious. It's on The Following. I'm sure of it. I remember it quite clearly as it was pretty humorous. Andre said something like "**** off, I'm not religious." to a fan. Metaleks (talk) 06:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

NOTE - It doesn't matter! THis conersation is moot and blatantly retarded! Blind Guardian are not Christian metal. I don't care if all the members are Christian. All members of Iced Earth and Dream Theater (I'm pretty sure) are Christian. That doesn't make them Christian metal in the least. The lyrics must involve Christianity (and the praise of it obviously to some degree; not antagonistic of it) and I am not convinced at all that BG does this or has done this enough for it to count. They have a paltry few songs which may be considered talking about Christianity in a good light. Not enough to be called Christian metal. I mean most of their lyrics involve paganism. Total opposite of Christianity. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 18:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

  • None of their lyrics involve paganism (e.g. worshiping national pagan gods). But neither they're promoting christianity. They just use its themes sometimes, because Bible is an epic that may be compared to Eddas and Iliad, on which they write songs too. Garret Beaumain (talk) 21:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with you that there are many non-christian bands that use the Bible as a source of material, much like those epic stories you mentioned. I'm not sure I agree with you on the paganism issue. I suppose they don't actually preach for paganism, but their lyrics imply that they support it, whether true or not. They have many countless songs about "gods," that are definitely putting paganism in a positive light. Much of the material they use has pagan themes. Perhaps that's what you meant, though. They may not talk about the, "warshiping[sic] [of] national pagan gods," but when you say their lyrics don't involve paganism at all, well I'm gonna have to call you on that one. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 21:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Just a point. Actually, they got no "countless songs about gods". Just make a search over their lyrics. They have only two song, Valhala and Under the Ice, which involve "gods" as plural, and they're not shown in positive light (neither in negative, though). The word "gods" is also featured in two songs on Michael Moorcock "Eternal Champion" series: Damned For All Time and Fast to Madness, and in Imaginations from the Oher Side ("Did Corum kill the Gods?"). That makes five of one hundred, with three of them are based on literary fiction. (Interestingly, almost every appearance of "gods" deals with them being killed). Garret Beaumain (talk) 21:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

"Track #11 on the italian release of A Night At The Opera is a bonus track. Its title is Frutto Del Buio, and it's the italian version of Harvest Of Sorrow. After this song being released, Blind Guardian is the only foreign metal band releasing a song sang in italian." What is foreign in Wikipedia? No other "foreign" band has ever released a song in Italian? Very likely, I guess ... --85.233.21.177 16:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

  • "Foreign" means "non-native", "non-italian", I guess. Garret Beaumain 07:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merging Discography with main BG article? (plus extras)

It seems to me that it's very redundant to have a separate article for Blind Guardian's discography. Many bands, if not all of them here on Wikipedia, have their discography on the main article page. Blind Guardian has a paltry list of albums and EPs. There is more than enough content for every album to have it's own little subsection in the main article. If no one is willing to do the merge, then I will. But first, what are everyone's thoughts on this? Also, what are everyone's thoughts on having sections in the main article for the band members. I'm actually surprised this isn't done yet. The members are obviously a vital part of Blind Guardian. I'm not saying that we should write up a complete biography for each member on the main article here, but a little information is much better than the state the article is in right now. Metaleks (talk) 06:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

It's not redundant it's for when band discographies get long and more extensive. Theres many discographies for bands like Gamma Ray, Helloween and Iced Earth and Blind Guardian discography is just another one of those. No need to merge it back in here and the only part of the discography on the main page should be their studio albums. As for subsections for the band members I'm not sure about that. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ kaiden 04:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree with CircafuciX. What you're asking, Metaleks, is unneccesary. Many band articles (like Iron Maiden) that are big bands and have extensive discographies have their own discography pages. What's the big deal? There's links to that page from here. Same with the band members. This article is supposed to be about the band, not about the band members. All of the band members have their own pages and are linked to this page. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 18:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh I wasn't sure exactly what you meant with the band members but as Navnlos said they shouldn't be merged in here and have separate pages of their own. It's like merging all their album article info into here, that would only complicate things and lower the quality. Member articles like list of Iron Maiden band members and list of Opeth band members are examples of pages for extensive band members/session musicians and line-up history, etc. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ kaiden 22:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I apologize, it seems as if though I didn't make myself clear. I did not suggest to merge the ENTIRE articles over to this one. If you take a look at a similar band, like Nightwish, you will see that they borrow a summary of content from their respective discography pages, and more, for their main article. I was just wondering if doing the same for Blind Guardian would be a good idea. The BG article seems very lacking. Metaleks (talk) 19:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
Sure, we can do that, the article is a bit bare in some places. Didn't quite understand you before so thanks for making it clear now. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ kaiden 03:58, 19 May 2008 (UTC)