Talk:Battle of the Nile

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Some related current events from a BBC news article which could be incorporated into Battle of the Nile if someone was so inclined...

How could Brueys study Nelson´s tactic at copenhagen since this battle took place three years later? Greetings, --84.129.174.66 09:07, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

And how could he study Nelson's tactics at the battle of the saints when Nelson was in england at the time the battle was fought?

Quite true, the author probably confused the battle of the saints with the battle of Cape St Vincent - the first in 1782 the latter in 1797. I have amended this in the article. I'm dubious about the entry to Commodore James Russell - his 'rank' was Master and Commander. Unless anyone has a source for this I shall amend this as wellAlci12 15:10, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Try for GA?

I think this article could probably make a GA if it got some touch up. Shows promise! -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 08:22, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thouars

Thouars is linked only in a diagram underneath; his unusual story, which is described in an article on Wiki, merits a line in the article for certain. Thouars is not one of the many interchangeable officers, but a singularly heroic one. By the way, the article has a certain British POV, with for instance the scratch at Nelson's brow treated at large (speaking of peacocks). Soczyczi (talk) 01:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

First of all you might want to read WP:PEACOCK and WP:POV. Both mean that referring to Thouars as 'spectacularly heroic' is not appropriate. Secondly this article is about the battle. Slipping in an aside about the officer because you believe his actions are particularly heroic is also not appropriate. British captains who served in the battle and are not mentioned explicitly but in the same table as Thouars, include Edward Berry, Alexander Ball, Henry D'Esterre Darby, James Saumarez, 1st Baron de Saumarez, Sir Samuel Hood, 1st Baronet and Sir Thomas Hardy, 1st Baronet. I will reiterate, the article is about the battle, it describes what happened and that by the end a number of the French ships had been captured or burnt. That Tonnant was one of them, and who her captain was are described in the table. This is the same for Sir Thomas Troubridge, 1st Baronet of Culloden, or James Saumarez, 1st Baron de Saumarez of Orion, who were perhaps also singularly remarkable officers and performed heroically in the battle. Your addition adds nothing that is not already covered in the article and only serves to unbalance it and introduce POV in violation of our policies. Benea (talk) 02:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree with you, but I leave you to it. It's an informative article, quite good, but balanced it's not, written from a British point of view. And what about Nelson's scratch, and Hemans' poem, whereas Thouars' appalling story merits no mention? Soczyczi (talk) 11:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I am quite sympathetic to Thouars' story, but at this moment, adding it would unbalance the article. Rather than say it's written from a British point of view, how about it's written from a more Nelsonian point of view? (many significant British captains' actions also merit no specific mention, so it doesn't just discriminate against the French, it seems to discriminate equally). I personally had no knowledge of Hemans' poem before this article. I think it's more of an American thing. Benea (talk) 20:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
You might be right, but in that case you could edit the information instead of remove it. I'm not an English native speaker, so you might make the wording more subtle, put it somewhere else in the article, and add stories about Hood, Saumarez and others to Thouars' bucket of wheat. As for the 'American thing', the Battle of the Nile is not less American than British, French, European or Egyptian. Important or interesting information should be added to the article until it is so large it may be split up. Soczyczi (talk) 09:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I'll have a go at that, give me some time to hunt down some sources. I meant the popularity of the poem is more of an American thing it seems to me, though I didn't really understand that bit of your post. Benea (talk) 09:53, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I meant the story of the Battle of the Nile is not just a 'British thing' or a 'Nelson thing', but it means something for Americans, French, other Europeans, Wikipedians in general, who just might be interested in the 'Napoleon thing' or in the absurdities and other intriguing aspects of heroism, and if I were an Egyptian, I think I would be intrigued by this grand battle, too. Soczyczi (talk) 01:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)