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[edit] Wikipedia Rules of engagement

I think it might be worth reminding people of the basic rules of Wikipedia. A lot of the arguments over the previous version of this article were, I think, largely due to these policies not being followed. I've rewritten the article to make it strictly wikipolicy-compliant, and I intend to ensure that those policies are followed on this article:

Don't add partisan commentary, and ensure that your contributions are written in a neutral tone. We're here to write an encyclopedic article, not a partisan screed. (WP:NPOV).

Any additions must be sourced, cited and verifiable. (WP:CITE, WP:V).

Any sources must be reliable. Newspaper reports, government documents, books and reports from well-known international organisations are generally regarded as good sources. Commentary on ersonal websites or the personal views of individual editors are not. (WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NOR.

If we follow these policies we should be OK. -- ChrisO 07:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, well that's all fine in theory, but there seems to be no way of sanctioning the offenders. They can just go on butchering the articles until every decent wikipedian just gives up on a lost cause... --Dr.Gonzo 13:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

You're forgetting that I'm an administrator. I can enforce the rules if need be... -- ChrisO 00:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't that make you partisan, since you're editing the article yourself? --Dr.Gonzo 00:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Only up to a point. Blocking a user to gain an advantage in an editing dispute is forbidden, obviously, but I'm talking here about strictly enforcing Wikipedia's fundamental policies. I'm not a Croat or a Serb, so I don't mind if someone adds a statement that Franjo Tudjman ate babies or that Milosevic was an alien from Alpha Centauri - but they must provide a reliable verifiable source for that statement. If they do, fine - if they don't, their addition comes out. If they repeatedly ignore the fundamental policies then I'll encourage them to change their behaviour. Think of it as being like toilet training. :-) -- ChrisO 00:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Lol, ok, I'll keep that in mind ;) Anyways just wanted to say I'm glad to have you here, and I hope you can help get this article in shape like you did with Borovo Selo killings, that would be absolutely marvelous. I look forward to working with you ;) Cheers! --Dr.Gonzo 00:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:UCK NLA.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 11:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tomislav Mercep

"As the situation in Eastern Slavonia deteriorated, Serb and Croatian[citation needed](source these Croatian paramilitary units please,otherwise it will go) paramilitary groups mounted a sporadic campaign of violence and intimidation against each other and against civilians. In Vukovar itself the local militia commander, Tomislav Merčep, gained a reputation for brutality against local Serbs and was eventually removed from his post by the Croatian government. At least 80 Serb civilians were claimed to have been killed or disappeared in these incidents.[6]

The source provided for this accusation is a tabloid,not a newspaper or anything reliable.Please provide ICTY document-link or something reliable where that statement is confirmed.--(GriffinSB) (talk) 10:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I gave you 4 days to provide a reliable weblink to confirm this. I'm removing it.--(GriffinSB) (talk) 16:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I have never contributed to this article, but I applaud ChrisO's efforts to achieve a good NPOV article here. The Feral Tribune was highly regarded among Western journalists as one of the few (if not the only) truly independent news sources in Croatia during the Tudjman era. You may consider it a tabloid, but it has won many prestigious international awards. This same information has also appeared in other Croatian news publications within the past few years (some, like those in Globus, are available in English). Rather than simply deleting all of this information, why didn't you add another source if you did not care for Feral Tribune? A good faith editor always looks for good supporting sources before deleting something he considers to be badly sourced.

Regional Report: Vukovar Serb Killings Investigated (Hedl recently received a Knight International Award for excellence in journalism.)

I ran across this article on Mercep based on a declassified CIA report. I think this same story was also released by HINA (Croatian news service).

Actual declassified CIA report

I see you have also removed other pieces of information without mentioning it on the talk page, such as the information about the municipal assembly. Would you care to explain why you have removed these other portions of the article? Civilaffairs (talk) 21:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)Civilaffairs