Talk:Battle of San Pasqual

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The modern spelling is San Pasqual-should it be changed? Max 097 08:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I think that is appropriate. Most references to it appear to use the modern spelling, such as the San Pasqual Battlefield Site Location Project. -Will Beback 19:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 First line of article 2 rebels? 3 Ditto on Loyalists 4 Battle? 5 Aftermath

[edit] First line of article

The first line of the article had an obvious error... it had said "San Pascual (also spelled San Pascual)." Either of the following could have been intended,

• San Pasqual (also spelled San Pascual)
• San Pascual (also spelled San Pasqual)

but I corrected it to the former because it coincides better with the title of the article. Jim 00:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] rebels?

How do you make out that the Mexican/Californio forces were the "rebels"? Surely they should be called the Loyalists, no?

--miguelj in san Diego

[edit] Ditto on Loyalists

I agree senior Miguel..most accounts about this time period are full of POV relative to American interests..every article you read has this POV, i.e., Kerney marching across the desert, and his weary men...what a load of BS, they want you to feel sorry for him and his men, and an excuse as to why they lost to the Mexicans..who Kit Carson said were "lazy, and had no will to fight"..the Californio had only Lances and they fought regular US army with muskets, and were outnumbered, and still defeated them, killing 22 in the process.....it's up to folks like us to try to articulate the history with facts and reason void of emotion...in fact the Californio's were true patriots and should be recognized as loyalist "heros" for the defense of "their" sovereign land that they displayed in the battles for Southern California....DonDeigo 15:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

-- That may be, but this article is loaded with pro-Mexican/Californio bias, which needs to be toned down.

P1340 15 March '08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.126.5.53 (talk) 12:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Battle?

How do you corolate lances against muskets? and the figure of 150 Californio's is incorrect, they were in the 40 man range...get real... at any rate, how anyone could call the actions of the Americans in this agression anything but pathedic, is not in reality...if the truth of this encounter would have been made aware to the US congress in a timly manner,i.e., Lincoln, etc, this California agression would have been called off immediatly....guns aaginst lances, Americans and their decendants should be ashamed of themselves....DonDeigo 16:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Let's try and stay neutral about this matter, even if the source materials are often biased. -Will Beback · † · 22:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I apoligize for my POV...it's difficult when your interpretation of historical documentation, in many cases for California, is filled with POV...it's understandable, because of the cultural differences, and the sourse and date of the documentation...I want to insure we interpret with truth and neutrality. DonDeigo 13:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

"The badly beaten and terrified American forces". Come on! (P1340) 16 March 08

[edit] Aftermath

Nothing about Carson's Midnight Crawl? After the defeat by the Californios Kearny sent Carson on a mission to get word to Stockton to send reiforcements. The problem was the Californios held the territory between San Pasqual and San Diego where Stockton was anchored in San Diego Bay. Carson and a naval lieutenant named Edward Beale along with an indian guide slipped past the Californios under cover of darkness on Dec. 8th, 1846, but in the process, Carson and Beale lost their boots (They had removed their boots so they would make less noise. The indian guide was wearing moccasins.) The three split up and took different routes to San Diego, Carson taking the longest, and all three eventually made their way to the bay and Stockton. Carson and Beale made the entire trek barefoot. Their feet were swollen and had numerous cuts. Neither could walk for several days after. Their mission a success, Stockton learned of the situation at San Pasqual and sent 120 sailors and 80 Marines to Kearny's rescue. Historian Benard DeVoto called Carson's "Midnight Crawl" to San Diego "high among the exploits of the master moutain man." Source: Blood and Thunder by Hampton Sides. As a native San Diegan, the names Kearny, Carson, and Gillespie are familiar names but I never knew who these men where and what they mean to San Diego's history.

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"...it was one of many battles and skirmishes where the Californios bested American forces in Southern California."

Such as?

-P1340 March 16 '08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.126.5.53 (talk) 12:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)