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[edit] Changed image

I think it's better to have actual screenshots of the game... and if promotional renders are included, they should be described as such. Fredrik 17:24, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

And then another one :P I don't think this is such a good idea. Rare can promote the game themselves, the article benefits much more from having actual screenshots of the game. Fredrik 19:19, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

I just didnt think the screenshot that was there was very informative, perhaps we should try to find a better in-game render that is more closeup and doesnt have that intro text all over it. We should however make a note that these are not in-game screenshots but rather art, However i think it adds very much especially to the story Grunthilda can be seen chasing the duo and in the latter they are picking up a Magical Jigsaw. --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 21:03, 2004 May 18 (UTC)


[edit] Image placement

Frederik, your placement of the image to the right would have been right except that there is one exception to that rule, that is if the content of the picture faces to the right, in that case images should be on the left side, the 'face' in the picture should always face inwards, see for example the Bumblebee article. --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 22:48, 2004 May 18 (UTC)

This image doesn't really point anywhere. There's action in both ways; Kazooie, whose face is the most prominent in the picture, is facing left. It looks good either way, as far as that issue is concerned. But I'm of course not primarily concerned about the direction, I'm concerned about the fact that breaking text justification on the left side is highly distracting for a reader. Having it on the left side additionally breaks the balance of the page layout (it all ends up on the left).
If the image is facing right, it should preferrably be mirrored to face left. This can't be done here since the image contains a logo that can't be mirrored, but since the direction is only vaguely pronounced in this image, it isn't a problem. I don't like the layout at bumblebee either, but for some reason I find the image there less distracting. Ideally that one should be mirrored and moved to the right. Fredrik 22:59, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
Banjo is going left, so is the witch and the whole thing climaxes in the right-bottom corner. I think that if anything it adds to the balance of the page, what layout problems are you having exactly? Text should wrap equally well around images regardless of whether the image is to the left or right.
And about starting to turn images i havent heard any other complaints about it being distracting, but dont start turning pictures because of that because consensus has been reached on that images can go on both sides of an article. --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 23:14, 2004 May 18 (UTC)
Page balance - edge of text. And the text on the left after the intro disappears under the image, which is distracting. I still hold that the direction of the image is too vaguely pronounced to justify the current position. In either case, there's another solution: swapping the two images. I'd still like to see both images on the right, but this one will do less harm if placed on the left a bit down.
Where was the consensus reached? I've seen discussions of image placement that reached the consensus that images should not be placed on the left. Fredrik 23:28, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
I think i've fixed your image problem by forcing a break after the intro ( the reccomended thing with such float problems ), About where those guidelines i have not been able to dig them up, however i do remember reading them.. somewher, but i tend to loose things. --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 23:37, 2004 May 18 (UTC)
Banjo-Kazooie


Developer: Rare
Publisher: Nintendo
Release date: 1998
Genre: Platform game
Game modes: Single player
ESRB rating: E (Everyone)
Platform: Nintendo 64
System requirements: N/A
Input: Gamepad
Accessories: Rumble Pak

Regardless of layout issues, how do you feel about this?--Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 23:41, 2004 May 18 (UTC)

Looks nice, adding it, complain here if you have a issue;) --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 23:48, 2004 May 18 (UTC)
There's another table format being discussed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and Video Games/Template/. #8 currently. Fredrik 23:56, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
See you've replaced it, looks great! --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 10:46, 2004 May 19 (UTC)

[edit] Stop 'N' Swop

Well, I figured this would be the place to ask, but what are peoples thoughts on Stop 'N' Swop getting its own article? It's a pretty big mystery, for gaming at least, but it would probably only interest B-K and B-T fans. On the other hand, there are articles for Minor NPCs from Morrowind like Fargoth. So, what are your guys thoughts? -- A Non-member

In my humble opinion, it might be a good idea... it just depends on how comprehensive of our coverage should be. To be honest, I really don't know. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 16:36, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

I'll try to get the guys at the Rare Witch Project to help, since I'm a member. These are the people who found the GS and Sand Castle codes, so it should be pretty comprehensive if they do help. - The Non-Member

Okay, I'm a member now. Anyone have the old 'Follow the Jellyfish' rumor from the GameFAQs BT boards saved? There's no one there from when that happened except for me. And I'm still waiting for Ice Mario or SubDrag to answer. -Penquin

Given the fact that this is one of the only things that keeps people still talking about the game it is indeed appropriate that it receives its own article. Briton

This has already been discussed on the Stop 'N' Swop article discussion. The page was brought up for deletion February 15 of this year, but no consensus was made (though most seemed to favor a merge to this page or the series page). --pIrish 21:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Everyones A Critic

"While the game did recieve good reviews at the time of it's release, it is often critiqued by gamers as "not aging well"--or the fact that the game looks like just another "archaic" platformer by today's standards. While the series does pertain a critical fanbase, it it also perceived by a select few to not be any innovative movement in gaming, simply because it was so much like Super Mario 64. While the game did feature a select amount of elements that were new to the 3D platformer genre, it is true that many similarities can be made between the two games, such as a similar control scheme, and the camera control scheme. Another problem gamers had with the game was the amount of objects the player was required to collect in order to progress through the game, and the game's stages. Banjo-Kazooie is infamous for creating the notorious term "collect-o-thon" which is a term used to mean that a game features a vast amount of monotonous object collecting through non-linear environments."

This whole paragraph is nonsense. I'm deleting it, it can be put back when it has some citing. I've also never heard of the term "collect-o-thon," and its obvious to anyone who has played Banjo Kazooie that it is not linear.

Agreed. The perspective seems slanted and inobjective, besides. Nice revision: let's try to keep this article as informative and neutral as possible, folks.

--AaronOfAbsalom 19:53, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with you on this. That critique of the game shows both possible opinions on it, and if you have not heard of the term "collectathon" then clearly you do not take enough interest in gaming communities.

It still doesn't have a reference attached, thus making the whole thing a bunch of original research that can't be included in the article. Also, watch what you say here and never make assumptions. I am an avid gamer and I had never heard the term "collect-o-thon" until I read this paragraph and, even then, google hits for "collect-o-thon" cap out at 25, "collect-a-thon" gets less than 900, and "collectathon" doesn't even reach 3,000 so I wouldn't even say it is a very widely used term, outside or inside the gaming world. Your assumption about this editor is baseless. --pIrish 21:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clanker

Is Clanker a shark or a whale? He has a blowhole, but his other features are very fish-like. Just64helpin

I personally think shark is more fitting. I've actually just tried to find a reliable site which says what he is, but to no avail. Might have to dig out some old magazines. -- Steel 20:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Clanker is a living garbage disposal...

Acording to Rareware he is a whale, but admittely resembles a shark more. --Abominable Toaster (talk) 22:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, You're gonna have to find a citation on that, simply saying something without -actual- proof doesn't count. Anyone have an *official* game guide, perhaps it'll say in there. Without official citation if even *one* person thinks against what is put, it can be challenged. Personally I always saw him as a shark as well. Sparky-sama (talk) 17:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] World Descriptions

Listing and giving descriptions on every single level is unnecessary. -- Steel 09:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Wikipedia is not a game guide. DanPMK 10:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Just in case anyone is thinking of disagreeing, take a look at featured articles Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy X, Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid 3 and Perfect Dark. Is it the case that half of those articles are taken up by a long list of the game's levels? -- Steel 11:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I also think they should be removed. That information is better suited for wikibooks. --pIrish 12:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. First of all, they arent a "Guide" to the game. It doesnt list what Jiggies are where, its just a general summary of each level so people who aren't familiar with this game can learn about them. Although it would be a good idea not to simply remove them, but to shorten them to just give a very brief general summary of the levels. I'll do that now. DietLimeCola 13:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I've made a HUGE change to this section. I've left the two primary, and most important, worlds and I've drastically reduced the extra worlds. I think the information on the eggs and the keys should go under a seperate section as then we start getting into a game guide sort of thing. Plus, it wouldn't hurt to have it as a "mystery surrounding these items" sort of thing as they were never really given explained. Anyway, tell me what you think, but please don't revert it without discussion as I think this could be a way to solve the problem of it being too lengthy and out-of-place to the article, but not making it disappear either. --pIrish 17:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, wait, there already was a section for the eggs and keys (Stop and Swap). Why on earth was so much emphasis put on them within the individual worlds? --pIrish 17:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Can someone convert it into prose rather than having it as a list? -- Steel 17:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Err, I'm not sure prose would be the best way to go. A list shows it clear-cut, this is exactly what this is. Prose was sort of what we already had. I think. Unless I'm thinking of a different definition for prose? (which is very possible as I haven't actually heard the word prose since my freshman year at uni) --pIrish 17:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
A paragraph. -- Steel 17:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Do you want to do it? I'm not sure I could without making it sound a bit awkward, but I can try it later if you want (I've got to start working on a paper for school). --pIrish 18:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I started but it sounded weird and so I stopped. That list does need to go though. Using lists is discouraged (though I don't have the particular page that says that to hand). -- Steel 18:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I think lists are good for some things, but, for the most part, one should stay away from them. I'm thinking this may be one of those cases where there really isn't any other way to put forth the information without making it seem weird. I also tried to find something about lists being discouraged, but I came up empty-handed. Maybe this mostly applied to articles that are purely lists? Like the List of Nintendo 64 games. I know those are greatly discouraged for the most part. --pIrish 18:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Well none of the featured articles I linked to above use lists in any way. -- Steel 18:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, were just trying to give people a general basic idea of what the game is all about. Mentioning worlds and a few details about doesn't make it look bad. I believe this article is just fine the way it is, so good job to whoever made those edits, they look VERY clean! Lets just keep it the way it is for now. By the way, shouldnt these edits be done to Banjo-Tooie too? DietLimeCola 20:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

(de-indent)Yeah, do the same to Tooie's article. It still needs to be de-listified, but I can't be bothered right now. Also, we're not supposed to be using words like "You" in the encyclopedia. I dunno if they were already there or if someone's added them recently, but they'll have to go at some point too. -- Steel 20:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

  • 'Ah ok I see. Also I just realized one more area that should be shortened - Stop 'n' Swop. I realize that this "feature" is very interesting and puzzling, but why should that take up most of the article? I'll try to trim it down later. DietLimeCola 20:19, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I've made a similar list to this one on the Banjo-Tooie page. I also cleared out all the references to "you" on this page that I could find. --[[User:PIrish|pIrish <sup>[[User_talk:pIrishl|(talk)]]</sup>]] 20:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sequels and ports

The "Banjo series" template already contains information on sequels and provides adequate links. In addition, information from the "sequels and ports" section is being moved to their related sections. Just64helpin 22:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Banjo Kazooie WOODEN ARMS MYSTERY

--65.54.154.46 02:36, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Ok, this is the single biggest mystery of any game that I've ever played in my life: A long time ago, I remember playing in Treasure Trove Cove when, as I passed by one side of the Hippo's half sunken boat, Banjo's arms suddenly and spontaneously became like classic pirate wooden stubs. There are no kind of items or power-ups around there that may have done this, nor do I remember getting anything, but I do remember that a song like when you use golden feathers or power-ups started as soon as the change happened. It seems to have been a power-up, as I also remember that I could kill those jumping clam enemies in a single strike instead of 3 normal punches. In fact I even remember that it sounded differently when you punched, like "Cha-Cha-Cha." In all this mysterious experience only lasted around 30, maybe a little more or less, and then Banjo's arms returned to normal and the song stopped. If anyone knows ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING about this please let me know here. I have a good memory and this is a mystery that has been on my mind for years now.

Please take your question to a Banjo-Kazooie forum. These pages are for discussing the article, not the game. --pIrish 03:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Glyuh HAH!

Should we put in here that weird noise that Banjo makes sometimes? It can be heard in the BK3 teaser trailer and various times throughout the game.69.140.136.43 19:58, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article or Nominated Article?

Is this worthy enough for a Good Article or be nominated for one? Or a featured article? RedEyesMetal 19:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Probably not. Though it may be able to squeak by as a good article, I doubt it. It needs sources. As of right now, it has zero, which I think is a major criteria for good article candidacy. If we can get some sources or references for some stuff (see The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess for a great example), I'd love to see it get nominated. --pIrish talk, contribs 19:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar's in the kitchen making brownies

I'm surprised to see my edits reverted; what you call "game-guide in tone", I call "cleaning up a mess of atrocious grammar". I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that, these days, people generally can't tell the difference. aruffo 02:25, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, wait a minute.. now I read the rest of the discussion.. you mean that the paragraph is too much like a game guide, regardless of how it's written. Well, anyway. I don't have a vested interest in the article-- I'm just passing by-- so I'll leave it alone. aruffo 02:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] vandalism?

says BK was going to be about a boy and a pirate for SNES?

Well there was a game called Dream...IT got turned into BK if that's what your talking about... Angry Sun 02:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hammerhead Beach

There are beta screenshots that proove that Hammerhead Beach is actually an original name for Treasure Trove Cove and not an entirely different world. Should this be changed? 86.31.244.242 10:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

See WP:V. Just64helpin 11:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
From the screenshots I have seen of Hamerhead beach, it appears to be a place Banjo, Kazooie, Mumbo and the "Mellon Girl" go on vacation where Mumbo will show you secret pictures for use in Banjo-Tooie (In his own words, more or less). This is after you beat Grunty and may only happen if you have all 100 Jiggies (despite the fact it is possible to get 102, this is reportedly because Rareware was worried certan jiggies were simply too difficult to get) So It's in the game, but it's not a level. --Abominable Toaster (talk) 22:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plot Synopsys Section

In the plot section, it says that Spiral Mountain is inhabited by Banjo, Kazooie and Bottles but in Banjo-Tooie, we visit Bottles' house outside of Spiral Mountain. Should it be removed then? 91.105.78.56 (talk) 17:13, 21 May 2008 (UTC)