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Contents 1 Spelling 2 Plagarism 3 Air Base or Air Field? 4 Please explain more fully... 5 Captives "reasonably well treated"? 6 Bagram theater internment facility - Merge? 7 Requested Move

[edit] Spelling

Is is Air Base or Airbase? The article gives both.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.15.102.65 (talk) 07:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Plagarism

The bit about Disney Drive is stolen word for word from Global Secuity, linked at the bottom and has therefore been deleted. And i've just noticed most of the history of the base has been stolen from there as well! 62.25.109.195 13:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Soviet last stand?? - can we have some sources, never heard of this battle..

[edit] Air Base or Air Field?

The base is run by the Army which would make it an Air Field> see http://www.bagram.afnews.af.mil/

Both are ok, but "Air Field" usually refers to a public airport with a small sized runway and a small building used as its terminal or waiting lounge. "Air Base" refers to an unauthorized militarized premises that contains large number of troops living there, with barracks, storage facilities, hangers, airport runway, mined fence, etc. The public are not allowed in Bagram so it's considered Air Base, an Airport and a Military Base.--PH4crew (talk) 23:57, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Not in this case. Army airfields are called such (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_airfields). --DonSmithnotTMD —Preceding comment was added at 12:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Thw white house uses bagram air base instead of an airfield, http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/afghanistan/photoessays/2006/index.html the airfield is inside the base so it's wise to use the main title as bagram air base and airfield may also be added. it's probably obvious to you that both names are used by the military stationed there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by McTools (talk • contribs) 21:22, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

The difference between "Air Base" and "Airfield" is a mostly esoteric bit of language minutae that's very military specific. Very explicitly, "Air Base" means "Air Force Installation" ... whereas "Airfield" denotes Army (ie: Hunter Army Airfield at Fort Stewart, GA) ... the constant repition of "Air Base" is a subtle bit of propaganda by the Air Force to try to imply that they are in charge of the base and they're making things happen in Afghanistan -- they're not. If you google it, you'll notice that most Army websites refer to it as "Airfield" and most Air Force websites refer to it as "Air Base". It's not an Air Base, the Air Force is not in charge here.

Bagram Air Base is the commonly used term. Kingturtle (talk) 14:36, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Be that as it may, it is the incorrect nomenclature. It's like the word "ain't" ... just because it's a widely used part of speech does not make it right. CJTF-82 is the current command in that region of Afghanistan, led by a Two-Star general. www.CJTF82.com refers to the location as "Bagram Airfield" ... the 445th Expeditionary Wing, the largest USAF presence on-post, refers to it (cleverly) as Air Base. Their commander is a One-Star General. And to address an earlier point, there isn't a seperate "Airfield" within the "Air Base" ... it's an either / or proposition, and it's flatly not an Air Force installation. They do not have the ranking general ... they do not run the base ops ... they do not run or man the guard towers ... it does not belong to them, they are tenants. The fixed-wing terminal, when you arrive on-post, says Bagram Airfield. Do you want me to go down and get a picture of it tomorrow? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.13.25.10 (talk) 14:44, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Both AIR BASE and AIRFIELD are mentioned so there's no reason to continue this name dispute. Bagram airfield may be well recognized within the army over there, but air base sounds more meaninful because it's usa's main base for its air force. Bagram is mainly used for military planes, so it's air base. Like the person at the top stated, airfield usually refers to small public airports and air base refers to military controlled airport. —Preceding unsigned comment added by McTools (talk • contribs) 15:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

They are both mentioned, but Air Base is flat-out factually WRONG. It is not the proper nomenclature. I'm glad that it sounds more "meaninful". I'm glad that the factually correct naming convention will not be used in lieu of what a bunch of civilians thinks sounds neato. I guess how WikiPedia is criticized -- for being incorrect, mob rule, etc. -- is true. Good job! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.13.25.10 (talk) 08:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I recently returned from a tour with the Air Force (455 AEW) at Bagram Airfield. It's an Airfield - not an airbase. The official 455 AEW letterhead said "Bagram Airfield." It is true that some people at the wing staff wanted to get people to start calling it "airbase." However, that was never an official change. They even changed their web site to state Bagram Air Base. This, however, was an unofficial change. The official HQ Air Force web site (Air Force Link) still shows it as "Bagram Airfield." http://www.af.mil/sites/ The Army "owns" the base. Therefore, it's an "AIRFIELD." My job required me to send reports regularly to various AF organizations. If I'd changed the name of the installation in the reports, I would have had to enclose a copy of the official change authority - which would have been a Dept of the Army order. I didn't have such a thing and therefore all my reports went in with Bagram Airfield as the official location of the wing. There are Marines at Bagram. But Marines don't own Bagram. If Marines owned Bagram it would be designated "Marine Corps Air Station Bagram." But Marines don't own Bagram. There are sailors there. But the Navy doesn't own Bagram. If the Navy owned Bagram it would be designated "Naval Air Station Bagram." But the Navy doesn't own Bagram. There are airmen there. But the Air Force doesn't own Bagram. If the Air Force owned Bagram it would be designated Bagram Air Base. But the Air Force doesn't own Bagram. There are Royal Air Force people there. But the Royal Air Force doesn't own Bagram. If the Royal Air Force owned Bagram it would be designated Royal Air Force Bagram. But the Royal Air Force doesn't own Bagram. This can go on and on with the different nationalities and services at Bagram. But, the U.S. Army "owns" Bagram. Since the army owns Bagram, Army installation naming conventions require it be designated Bagram Airfield. Air Base is absolutely incorrect. The name of an installation has nothing to do with how built up it is or common usage or any other such thing - the name depends upon what service "owns" that installation and that services installation naming conventions.137.9.121.122 (talk) 18:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Let's try this again -- go to http://cjtf-a.com. This is the homepage of CJTF-101, who are currently in charge of Bagram. What do they refer to it as? Base or Field? Who's the commander? MG Schlosser. His letterhead says AIRFIELD. No one from the USAF outranks him. When you get off the plane at Bagram, the terminal says BAGRAM AIRFIELD. The acronym for Bagram is BAF. Everyone refers to it as BAF, and no, that's not for Bagram, Afghanistan. This is a weak attempt by the weakest service branch in the US military to try and take credit for more than their due. Sorry, but saying "base" doesn't make the USAF NOT a joke or in charge here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.13.24.91 (talk) 15:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please explain more fully...

Please explain more fully the reasoning behing removing this reference. Excising wikipedian called it "unsuitable". I hope they will show the courtesy to explain why they call it unsuitable. Geo Swan 04:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Reasons:

• It is a primary source. Wikipedia's policy is to use secondary sources wherever possible.
• This particular primary source is incomprehensible. It consists of 240 pages of transcripts. I cannot have any confidence that it can serve to source anything, unless it is a very specific claim like "Person X said this during interrogation".
• The link also seems to have gone dead recently. But even if you find an updated link, the above two problems still apply.

Please note that I can see some cases where you could, if other sources were unavailable, use this document as a source. However, considering that there are 240 pages of material, please use it very sparingly, and then refer to at least a specific page number and preferably a paragraph number as well. Otherwise, it becomes impossible to verify a citation.Kevinp2 19:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Captives "reasonably well treated"?

I am skeptical that the assertion in this edit that the captives were "reasonably well treated" can be documented. Citation please? Geo Swan 04:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I added the citation, which was the same NYT article. If you do a word search for "reasonably well treated" you will find the exact paragraph. Kevinp2 19:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bagram theater internment facility - Merge?

Someone created a new article focusing on the Bagram Theater Internment Facility - the detention facility at the air base. I suggest that the articles be combined, since they deal with the same facility. Thoughts? Michael134.84.96.142 22:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

What possible advantage do you imagine this would provide? One is a prison. The other is an airport. Other than that they are colocated, and both are run by the DoD, what do they have in common?

Both article link to one another, so readers of one can find the other. Geo Swan 19:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested Move