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[edit] Inconsistencies

In the "Absolut" page Bacardi is the second most popular spirit brand, (as Smirnoff is the first), where as on the Bacardi page it is apparently the forth most popular does anyone have a source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.138.110 (talk) 17:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heritage

I have a stupid question, why do the bacardi bottles say Puerto Rican Rum when all the article talks about is its Cuban heritage? Why don't they explined its new Puerto Rican heritage just like it touched a tad on the Spanish heritage, before Mr Bacardi started the business in Santiago de Cuba.

I added a "heritage" tag so that your question wouldn't be way above the table. I believe your answer might be that if it was sold as "Cuban" rum, it would be illegal in the U.S. Don't quote me on it, but it's a guess. Zchris87v 04:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
You are looking too deep into it, the only reason behind that is because is completely produced in Puerto Rico, at the moment Cuba has no Bacardi distillery on it labeling it as such would be a lie whenever or not the company was founded there. -凶 04:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ron Bacardi?

Uh, can someone please vouch for the sentence that says the company came under the leadership of Mr. Ron Bacardi? I think this might be a misunderstanding, since "Ron Bacardi" means "Bacardi Rum" in Spanish. I actually went to the factory in Puerto Rico, heard no mention of a guy named Ron Bacardi, and watched my friend make this very mistake.

It seriously just means "Bacardi Rum", people. "Ron" is Spanish for "Rum". Can someone please check on this?

Ron is Rum in spanish, I am from Puerto Rico Trustme Eljohnson15 01:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Direct Linking

Removed the link to the image. It is the convention around here that an inline image is regarded to have been incorporated on the page, and thus a potential violation of copyright and trademark law. Therefore, we've got to remove it. If you want to continue the debate, please thrash it out here before replacing it. --Robert Merkel

http://www.bacardi.com/images/art/items/batdevice/batdevice3-1.gif

[edit] ====

OK. Thanks for the explanation. Far be it for me, a humble newbie, to try to disrupt the culture that's already established. I was hoping to get a pointer to a longer debate on this issue as I'm sure others before me have hashed this out already. I must say, at first blush, I heartily disagree with this policy. In fact, I find it somewhat absurd. I've never been a fan of any site anywhere that feels other sites need permission to link to their site. The Internet is all about links. It's not my fault that a given browser decides to save me the trouble of clicking a link by rendering a link graphic inline for me. In this vein, I hope it would not be disallowed to simply place a link (that didn't render inline) to a site. I.e. an external link. That would _really_ be stretching a point.

At any rate, it strikes me as a very sad thing that we can't link to graphics. The growing 'pedia will be a dreary place indeed without any art.

I don't claim to fully understand copyright law. I'm not a lawyer. I am an IT Director so I do appreciate concepts such as intellectual property rights and such. I don't want anyone to lose potential revenue. But it seems to me that if you put a graphic (or any material) on a public website, then there's no foul in someone else linking to the site. That's the whole _point_ of the Internet. No?

Finally, again let me stress, I'm in no way trying to impose my sensibility on this community. I am the newbie. I was "boldly editing" and boldly re-editing. And I will now stop. I will never link to a graphic again. But I wanted to add my thoughts to the debate (which I do hope is raging somewhere around here though I haven't found it yet). Ultimately the decision needs to be made by the owner of the hardware equipment which hosts wikipedia (the server(s)). Legally, I believe it to be true that only he/they has legal control of the content here (not withstanding any sort of GNU public license or other quasi-legal instruments.) I haven't quite determined who runs the show here. I suspect it's a Mr. L. Sanger. (?)

Know that I did try to learn what the policy on this subject was. I read thouroughly the Wikipedia Policy, Etiquette, Faux Pas, and Rules documents. Couldn't find any mention of this subject. It seems to me that it needs a big red warning somewhere if this is so taboo.

Thanks for listening. I'll go back to editing now. So many typos and grammar errors.... so little time. :)

It's misleading to say that it's community consensus. It's foremost a legal conclusion. The courts (at least in the US) have ruled that making such links may be considered copyright violation. It's illegal. It's an annoying decision, because, as you say, you're just making a link. But such as it is.

External links are fine.

There is, however, a non-copyright decision as well, which is that Wikipedia is intended to be a self-contained work, and including outside images defeats that purpose.

--TheCunctator

I like Bacardi Limón. I just had to say that --Jzcool

15-year-old girl's drink, if you ask me. Gimme a decent cabernet sauvignon or a Negra Modelo (think that's the spelling, can't be sure) any day. But each to their own :)--Robert Merkel
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PABST BLUE RIBBON!!!
-- SR
It wasn't for years after I first went to Puerto Rico that I discovered rum doesn't taste like the factory smells. Fortunately I'd matured to the point that I could handle it.
As had the rum, of course. --Calieber 20:09, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

tHEY NEED TO EXPLAIN WHATS hATUEY BEER GOT TO DO WITH bACARDI...AND i LOVE Bacardi Spices!! strong!!!

Antonio More Bacardi please!!! Martin Captain Morgan


- The finest of Captain Morgan's private reserves, Captain Morgan Private Stock is an extremely smooth, rich blend of the Captain's Puerto Rican rum and distinctive spices. Captain Morgan Private Stock is so smooth that it can be enjoyed straight or on the rocks, as well as in mixed drinks. This premium rum tops the Captain Morgan portfolio:

Welcome to the unexpected tropical flavor of Captain Morgan's Parrot Bay. This delicious Puerto Rican rum with natural coconut flavor tastes great with a wide range of fruit juices and mixers.

Captain Morgan Silver Spiced Rum is a delicious clear Puerto Rican rum with spice and other natural flavors, providing all the mix ability and sociability of Captain Morgan Original Spiced Rum in a light, sweet silver rum. Its tropical taste mixes well with cola, orange juice and other popular mixers. Discover how it will add a smooth and deliciously different taste to all your favorite spirit drinks.

Hello, my name is Daria,could anybody help me,please,to find contact with Bacardi company. I`m working at one of the largest import company in Ukraine and we would like to offer our services for import Martini and other beverages to Ukraine. I`m looking forward for your reply.Thank you.

This is Daria again. Please contact us for any information you have for how to find e-mail of Bacardi-Martini Cjmpany to the e-mail adress [[alcotrade@bars.net.ua]]. I`ll be very grateful for you.

[edit] rum's

It seems that this article only talks about rums. But Bacardi is more than that. eg Tia Maria at least 5 scottisch whiskey brewers where bought etc etc

Should this be mentioned?

yesDanlibbo 05:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Why did you add an apostraphe to pluralize 'rum?' Who taught you this? I've been seeing it alot lately. Stevekl 23:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Apostrophe (mark)#Greengrocers’ apostrophes --Mudd1 12:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Doesn't make it right (grumble grumble) Danlibbo 00:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bacardi Rum and Havana Club

The article somehow misses to mention that today's Bacardi Rum has little to do with the original drink produced in Cuba. The original product is now known as Havana Club which features a completly different (and IMHO much better) taste than Bacardi. The article also fails to mention the Bacardi company's attempt to steal the name and reputation of the latter rum by selling their own re-labeled as "Havana Club" in the US. In fact, the article doesn't even mention the name "Havana Club" at all AFAICS, despite the great focus on the pre-US history of Bacardi Rum. So seriously, even communist bashing is violating the NPOV. -- Mudd1 08:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

—I'm fully in agreement about the Havana Club. I have also tagged this article as an advert, which it is not far from being. I'm afraid I'm unqualified to improve it myself, but it urgently needs attention. --Arctic hobo 15:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

there's not much alternative unfortunately - the only people who kept a proper history of bacardi were the family/company themselves Danlibbo 05:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Is there any link between todays Cuban-made Havana Club and Bacardi ? Before 1959, the name was never Bacardi's. Havana Club is made in Santa Cruz del Norte - what rum used to be made there ? Was that formerly a Bacardi distillery ? -- Beardo 20:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opposition to Castro

A section detailing Barcardi's opposition to Castro was added by anon user. While much of the material can be verified as it is conveying well documented assertions, it still needs a bit more sourcing NPOV work in my view.--Zleitzen 15:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] balanced

I believe this article is now far more balanced - I've removed the advertising label as such. Mr magoo 12:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ?

"The Bacardi legacy lives on in Santiago and Havana through their grand buildings and historic significance. The Bacardi Building (Edificio Bacardi) in Old Havana is regarded as one of the finest art deco buildings in Latin America." Could please any native speaker work on this POV/PR statement? tnx.--Nemissimo II 18:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] valuing the bacardi facilities

someone recently added a phrase about how the company's assets were valued by the cuban govt after the revolution, it needs to go much earlier in the sentence if it needs to be there at all Danlibbo 22:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

And we'll really need some citable sources, too. -- Beardo 01:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] communist rant

Why does this article allow Ospina's communist rant unquestioned? The propaganda tactics used in this article are very obvious.

Example: The RECE (Cuban Representation in Exile) also receives funding from Bacardi family members. Activists for the RECE include Luis Posada Carriles, a terrorist involved in the bombing of Cubana Flight 455 in which 77 people died.

It's like saying: Mercedes-Benz automobiles are made in Germany, the same country that produced the Nazis. The Nazis killed millions of innocent people. World War II, which the Nazis started, led to the establishment of Israel. The establishment of Israel is at the crux of the conflict against Islamic terrorism today. Islamic terrorists caused 9/11. 9/11 prompted U.S. and Coalition forces to invade Iraq. Iraq caused the Democrats to win the Congress.

Actually, the comparison in the article is far worse because the RECE and Carriles share only a casual relationship, and Carriles has merely been accused by Castro and other unaccountable dictators of involvment in Cubana Flight 455. Carriles denies involvement. .....


With respect, it's hardly a 'communist' rant - the statements made in the article are nothing like your comments - as any level minded person would realise (the example might have been better with VW's btw, which were made under the nazis...). He hasn't 'merely' been accused - there is good documented evidence about Carriles' links and involvement in said organisations and activities.

Update- for example - see this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban-American_National_Foundation - where Carriles admits to taking CANF money for terrorist activities.

[edit] Ian Williams

I'm removing the recent addition about Ian Williams, which was completely false, stating that Bacardi had first developed his rum in Jamaica. When asked by Democracy Now if Bacardi's origins are in Jamaica, Ian Williams immediately says no. His claim is that a Jamaican moved to Cuba to distill rum, and that "it looks like" (meaning he's not sure) Facundo Bacardi might have acquired his distillery and used the same still (and nothing even suggests the still wasn't built in Cuba). There isn't a single claim anywhere on the web that the Bacardi line was created anywhere other than Cuba, not sure why this was taken so out of context.

"This shit is the real deal." Under History ??? Hahahaha, gotta love Wipipedia ;-)--203.212.138.129 01:48, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anheuser-Busch?

Bacardi's "Silver" line is owned by Anheuser-Busch, but this isn't mentioned anywhere. I don't even know under what terms this is, or how A-B can produce wine coolers of the same flavor as the rums. Anyone want to add this? Zchris87v 05:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] linkbacks in the products section

the articles for Bacardi Oro, Bacardi Black, Bacardi Añejo, and Bacardi 8 listed in the products section all link back to this article. perhaps those should be de-linked or proper articles should be made for those products. 204.83.242.189 04:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

These are just redirects. They should be de-linked. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 10:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bacardi Vaníla

To my knowledge Vaníla was discontinued at least a year ago, and Bacardi does not picture/list it on their websites anymore. Should a note be added that it is discontinued, or should it be removed from the flavored rums list altogether? Shatteredshards 13:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Obsolete links?

In the Products section, there are 11 links to pages that redirect to the Bacardi page. I think they ought to be deleted, as well as the links to them. --MooNFisH 19:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

De-linked. No need for deletion. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 18:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Still

"Their first copper and cast iron still produced 35 barrels of fermented molasses per day" is clearly wrong. A still takes in fermented molasses and produces rum. I have not changed it as it's not clear whether the intent is 35 barrels of fermented molasses or 35 barrels of rum. Rees11 (talk) 14:30, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bacardí vs Bacardit

Hello. Here in Catalonia I've heard the surname Bacardit (ba-carr-DEET) and I would like to know from what part of Catalonia came this surname as in Sitges is more common Bacardí (bah-carr-DEEH) surname. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.32.59.37 (talk) 15:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)