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[edit] Merger of text from Aviation and climate change

As discussed at on the Aviation and Climate change talk page the text from that article has been merged into the text from this stub article, leaving the text from this article as the introduction. Much more work needs to be done to integrate the two articles and expand it to cover such subjects as noise and air quality. - Ahunt (talk) 13:47, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Simple solution

I can think of a very simple solution not mentioned in the Possible Reduction section.

Don't fly.

I can't be the only one to think of it, why isn't it mentioned?

195.26.62.238 (talk) 06:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Find a verifiable reference for that and it can be added! - Ahunt (talk) 11:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Plenty of info on this over at Air transport and the environment (United Kingdom). It's an oft quoted remedy by environmentalist campaign groups, but the best source I have come across is the study Predict and decide - Aviation, climate change and UK policy (PDF). Environmental Change Institute (September 2006). Retrieved on 2007-09-10. UK specific, but the principles of using economic instruments to restrict the demand for air travel and thus reduce environmental impacts are pretty much universal I think. --FactotEm (talk) 11:57, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

That is a very interesting reference. I have written a new section "Government-imposed reductions in aviation" using it as a ref. See what you think - feel free to expand it. - Ahunt (talk) 18:46, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Having dragged that article unsuccessfully through FAC 3 times, I'm having a bit of a rest from aviation environment related articles for the moment. I would say though that "Government-imposed" reductions is a mis-nomer. In actual fact the UK Govt supports expansion to cater for increased demand. A better title might be "Managing demand".

I don't recall whether the paper actually supports the idea that the aviation industry "must be forced by taxation to greatly shrink in size and significantly reduce the number of aircraft operated and passengers flown". The House of Commons Environmental Select Committee supported restricting air transport so that emissions don't rise in absolute terms (i.e. growth is only permitted in line with reduced emissions resulting from fuel efficiencies). The campaign group AEF support increased taxation that is predicted to permit growth but limit it to 2% p.a.

Finally, I think you would get the point across more succinctly if you limited the quote you have selected to "Making flying more expensive, by introducing new taxes or charges, offers one of the quickest ways to address the demand for air travel." and finding a way of saying "and thus reducing the impact on the environment". I find the stats bandied around about future demand on the carbon budget by the air transport industry inherently POV, but that's just my opinion. --FactotEm (talk) 19:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It's probably easier if you just go ahead and edit it! - Ahunt (talk) 19:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Damn! Didn't fall for my FAC trauma sob story then. --FactotEm (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I like the re-write - it looks good! - Ahunt (talk) 12:39, 1 June 2008 (UTC)