Talk:Auto-Tune

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Fall Out Boy?

Why was Fall Out Boy mentioned in this article as not using auto-tune? Are they commonly mistaken for using it? Or did someone just feel like randomly plugging their favorite band?

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[edit] POV

It seems pretty clear that the second paragraph violates the NPOV policy. I removed "Many feel that this approach devalues real musical talent. Some liken it to computer spell-checking. Others know rightfully that it is an absolute evil, causing almost all a capella CDs for modern groups to sound inhuman and much worse. No musician with any hint of talent should have to use it as it is much like using a metronome on stage. It brings the world no see-able good.".
Most of this article ought to be nuked, actually, as it's about 'pitch correction' as opposed to Antares's 'Auto-Tune' which is what I assume it was supposed to be about in the first place.
Jimduchek 06:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Amen! This freaking article drives me insane, most if not all of the listed artists use a VOCODER to produce the effect that has been erroneously attributed to Antares' Auto-Tune. There is no discussion about envelope-followers or any real technical aspects of what the algorithm is doing, just the further perpetuation of the myth that the "Cher effect" was done with Auto-Tune. Eli lilly 23:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Verifiability and sources

Please don't add a performer to this article unless you can provide a reliable source proving that the performer uses Auto-Tune. FreplySpang (talk) 00:18, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No evidence

People are just adding names of people who they 'assume' use Auto-Tune. There is no evidence whatsoever.

[edit] Cher?

Regarding Cher's Song Believe - I believe this used a Vocoder, and not Autotune. If someone can verify this with a source, then her name and song should be removed from the article —This unsigned comment was added by 172.209.119.176 (talk • contribs) .

What's the difference? —Keenan Pepper 00:08, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
No. It was Auto-Tune (you can also read it its manual... if you set it to full strenght you get the infamous Cher's effect). What really puzzles me is the fact that "Freak Like Me" is quoted here - it has NO trace of Auto-Tune in it, why was it added here? MoLo 10:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
No, AutoTune wasn't used to achieve the effect in Cher's "Believe." The engineers who worked on it describe their process here: [[1]]. That said, AutoTune can be used to achieve similar effects, and the current language in the article doesn't exactly imply that AutoTune was used on that track, although it's probably furthering a popular misconception, so maybe it ought to be changed. 158.223.26.22 16:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I think this article is insane. It doesn't really describe what autotune does, only comparing it to an effect found in a bunch of tracks that all seem to have actually been effected via vocoder, when the two don't really work or sound the same. I intend to remove those references and to try to rework the article citing verifiable references only. Eli lilly 02:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
But it has a nice photo, however, doesn't it? Re: Cher, while those effects may not have been achieved via Auto-Tune, most of those who have subsequently used the effect have used Auto-Tune, set, as the article describes, to rather extreme parameters. Other than perhaps garage bands, no commercially meaningful (even in the Indie sense) band has ever used Vocoder to achieve the "Cher" effect. Other effects, even similar ones, surely, but not exactly that one. And plenty of bands have used that same effect. This comes from my brother-in-law, who is a drummer and producer, and whose knowledge of the music industry is impressive.
At least CMX, one of Finland's most popular bands, has used a vocoder to replicate the "Cher effect" on the second track of Aion, their 2003 album. The source for this is the band's own Q&A page [2]. (Ironically, the band falsely claims in their answer that Cher used Auto-tune in the making of "Believe".) Kaivosukeltaja 09:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
There's now a note added to the article that 158.223.26.22 linked to. It claims that Auto-tune was in fact used to create the effect in Cher's "Believe.", and that the producers deliberately spread misinformation in order to keep the technique they used a secret. - makomk 14:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] hellogoodbye

Removed the following:

"The somewhat robotic vocal effect can also be found in the song "Bonnie Taylor Shakedown... 2K4", from the Californian power-pop four, Hellogoodbye's self titled EP. It can also be noticably heard on the tracks "All Of Your Love", "Here (In Your Arms)", "All Time Lows", "I Saw It On Your Keyboard" and "Touchdown Turnaround" from their debut album "Zombies! Aliens! Vampires! Dinosaurs!"."

It's a long section about a comparatively obscure band. The other more well known songs mentioned (far more briefly) in the paragraph are sufficiently illustrative of the effect, IMHO.

[edit] T-Pain??!

T-Pain's not listed on here. What's up with that? He's the Auto-Tune King! Seriously, most of his songs are used with this thing.

That's very doubtful, you are probably confusing Auto Tune with a vocoder. This entire article does. Eli lilly 15:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wow

This is just sad. If I couldn't sing I wouldn't want a machine to do it for me. I can't believe they market this to actual musicians! It's insulting. If people didn't use it, those with true talent would rise.

SwedishConqueror 00:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)SwedishConqueror

You could say the same thing about reverb (or any other effect, really) and this thing is marketed to studios, not musicians. It's just another tool. Studios don't just record top-name acts, a lot of amateurs come in as well. Maybe a tiny bit of correction on that one blown note will make the demo sound just a little better, perhaps giving a young artist enough pride and satisfaction to continue practicing and working with their vocal coach. Eli lilly 16:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
No its so people who cant sing but look pleasant can get famous!123.255.55.52 17:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Split

I suggest there should be a separate article for the "auto-tune effect", a.k.a "the cher effect". A more general name for it independent of song, or program used to create it would be the "electronic voice effect" (a phrase used in the article) or the "tonal mangling effect". Such an article could then list all the recordings that use the effect. This article is not a good place for that list, because this article is about the Auto-Tune program, not the effect. Egriffin (talk) 22:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Further investigation reveals the article Cher effect redirects here. I suggest it should be a separate article. I'm adding the Split-apart template to the article. I don't know what Wikipedia's policy is on writing articles about something without an official name. Egriffin 15:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
No replies, so I did it anyway. See my efforts at the article Cher effect. Egriffin (talk) 13:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 03:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)