Talk:Australian republic referendum, 1999

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Contents 1 Missing perspective 2 Possible mistakes 3 vandalism 4 NPOV concerns 5 Proposed mergers 6 Merged 7 Referendum of November 6th, 1999 in external Australian territories 8 Tone/style

[edit] Missing perspective

During the time of the election nearly everybody I talked to was dissatisfied or even angry about the process of the republic being presented as a yes/no question and the perception of it being handed down from on high. Most people felt that there were multiple issues involved and it was too complex to be decided in a single referendum.

As I talked to people from all sides of the argument this seemed to be the most common theme and argument that cane up time an time again.

At the time it was never mentioned in the media (that I know of) and it is not covered in this article at all. I am assuming this was a common experience of the referendum - any feedback appreciated?

Can anyone make any suggestion on where I could put this perspective in the article and what sort of references would be required.

Otherwise the spin of the time will become historical fact. It annoyed me enough then - sigh

--Gerard c (talk) 09:08, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure that it was in the media at the time? If not, check the usual suspects - Australian Political Chronicle, various academic sources, plus if anyone's written a book about the referendums. Orderinchaos 09:53, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Possible mistakes

- The table at the bottom listing "Australian Referendums" - isn't the plural of referendum referenda?

- There is a quote given from a Broken Hill Miner in the analysis about sticking it up Keating without voting for Hewson - if the referendum was in 1999 how does this make sense? Keating was voted out in 1996 and there was an election in 1998 between Howard and Beazley... Hewson was already gone...

I've been bold and removed the quote because it really just doesn't make sense. — mæstrosync ^{talk&contribs}, 01:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] vandalism

Can someone please fix it

[edit] NPOV concerns

I have removed the words (except to the extent that most voted for it to be the model recommended by the constitutional convention, exactly because they saw it to be the least likely model to succeed) beginning with "exactly".

This looks like speculation, if not propaganda. If we are talking about what the monarchists themselves perceived, then we should support it with a quote from a source from a monarchist leader such as Kerry Jones.

I don't believe such a quote can be found. The voting records of the convention show that the monarchists didn't support any proposed model. They abstained. Pete 19:18, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This article is highly POV. The use of such words as "sentimental" and the unsubstantiated claims concerining opinion surveys betray the writer's bias. 203.0.223.244 23:40, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm a bit concerned that the controversy of the entire vote is understated. The newspapers of the day (at least in my state) reflected the concern that voters had. There was considerable public pressure to have the republic question seperated from mention of a president because so many voters would vote no to a republic with an appointed head of state but yes if the question was on it's own (with mention of government changes as a separate question). Many believe that the wording was a deliberate ploy by monarchists to defeat the referendum and that the yes vote would have won if we had voted to be a republic and sorted out the government later. Wayne 20:10, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed mergers

I feel that these articles should be merged into the same one. Jeffklib 04:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree that they should be merged. However, I wonder whether it might be appropriate for this article to usurp the title of Australian referendum, 1999 in order to be in line with the naming standard for referendums in Australia.--cj | talk 05:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree, except that the naming standard for referendums in Australia is stupid, as it tells us absolutely nothing about what the referendum was actually about. Rebecca 10:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merged

I have merged Australian referendum, 1999 (Preamble) and 1999 Australian republic referendum into this article per the discussion above. Some cleanup may be in order now.

This talk page was merged from Talk:1999 Australian republic referendum. Kevin 09:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Referendum of November 6th, 1999 in external Australian territories

Please anybody give me a reference on source (on this page) about and Republican referendum on Cocos (Keeling) islands, Christmas island and Norfolk island. --User:212.98.173.133 14:35 28 July 2007.

As I understand it, they are classed as a single electrate under the North Territory (or possibly the Australian Capital Territory).--58.108.249.136 10:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tone/style

There appears to be a lot of original research and commentary in this article. Some of it is justified and sourceable, but opinion writing should be left to the bloggers. Orderinchaos 13:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)