Talk:Assyrians and Syriacs in the Netherlands
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[edit] Mor Ephrem Monastery
I removed the mentioning of Mor Ephrem Monastery as the "first Assyrian monastery in Europe". The monastery's web site speaks of Aramaeans and Syro-Aramaeans, not of Assyrians! --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 18:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Nice try. Assyrians of Syriac Orthodox go to this monastery and establish it as their monastery. You dont like it, go tell them they dont belong their. The sources are on the buttom of the page. Chaldean 03:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- I see nothing like that on the links you provided. And still, there are no sources, except for assyrianist websites. --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 06:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- "assyrianist" websites are providing information about the culture of the Assyrians in holland. Their is nothing contriversial that is being stated that needs specific source. Chaldean 13:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- It seems to be the same story happening again. A significant proportion of the people who are meant to be included in this article choose to call themsleves Aramaean in preference to Assyrian. The monastery's own website is very clearly Aramaeanist and contains direct links to http://www.aramnaharaim.org/ (a strongly Aramaeanist website based in the Netherlands). I think it would be more accurate for this article to talk about Assyrians and Aramaeans in the Netherlands because that is the reality — yes, it's not a nice reality, and yes, it does belittle the people. The situation may be different in the US Mid-West, but that's not what this article is about. This isn't ethnic, ecclesiastical or geographical. This is purely political: whole families in Europe are divided bitterly on this issue. However, unlikeable the situation it should be documented without bias to one group or the other. Calling a monastery Assyrian when it clearly calls itself Aramaean is biased, I'm afraid. — Gareth Hughes 15:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe the sentenced was bad worded, but the point is Syriac Orthodox who call themselves Assyrians go to this monastery and consider it as one of their own. As for the offical website; how do we not know the monastery itself isn't splite as well? For all we know the guy who created the website could be a aramean extremist even thou the monastery itself doesn't share his view. In any ways, months ago some person created Aramaeans in the Netherlands. Chaldean 16:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- OK, so now there are links between both articles. Something that neither group will like, but at least demonstrates the two points of view in seperate articles. — Gareth Hughes 16:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe the sentenced was bad worded, but the point is Syriac Orthodox who call themselves Assyrians go to this monastery and consider it as one of their own. As for the offical website; how do we not know the monastery itself isn't splite as well? For all we know the guy who created the website could be a aramean extremist even thou the monastery itself doesn't share his view. In any ways, months ago some person created Aramaeans in the Netherlands. Chaldean 16:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- It seems to be the same story happening again. A significant proportion of the people who are meant to be included in this article choose to call themsleves Aramaean in preference to Assyrian. The monastery's own website is very clearly Aramaeanist and contains direct links to http://www.aramnaharaim.org/ (a strongly Aramaeanist website based in the Netherlands). I think it would be more accurate for this article to talk about Assyrians and Aramaeans in the Netherlands because that is the reality — yes, it's not a nice reality, and yes, it does belittle the people. The situation may be different in the US Mid-West, but that's not what this article is about. This isn't ethnic, ecclesiastical or geographical. This is purely political: whole families in Europe are divided bitterly on this issue. However, unlikeable the situation it should be documented without bias to one group or the other. Calling a monastery Assyrian when it clearly calls itself Aramaean is biased, I'm afraid. — Gareth Hughes 15:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- "assyrianist" websites are providing information about the culture of the Assyrians in holland. Their is nothing contriversial that is being stated that needs specific source. Chaldean 13:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
- I see nothing like that on the links you provided. And still, there are no sources, except for assyrianist websites. --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 06:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
