Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turaga na Rasau

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete until reliable sources found. —Quarl (talk) 2007-01-02 02:23Z

[edit] Turaga na Rasau

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I cannot find any references to this title in any authoritative work. Very likely original research. I will abstain in this vote - and leave it up to all of you to decide. David Cannon 10:36, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete per. nom. No references found outside Wikipedia. ~~ Meeples (talk)(email) 10:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - fails WP:V. MER-C 11:42, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - no references to back up any of this information, so could be original research and definitely fails WP:V. Jayden54 12:09, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Neutral at the moment. Obviously, this material does us no good uncited. With that said, however, I'm unwilling to write it off as unverifiable (or as OR) based on its non-showing in Google. This is perhaps the best example of material that I've seen hit AFD that is unlikely to have a strong online footprint, being Fijian island tribal history. Anyone have a good book on Fijian history, or anything documenting people and titles taking part of the councils that intervened during Fiji's coups in the last 2-3 decades? Serpent's Choice 12:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC) - amended below
  • Delete - i have some familarity with the subject matter and i have never heard of this particular title. Have a look at the history for House of Chiefs (Fiji), the title did not exist here until the editor in question added it, also see the original source at ai cavuti, this title is not listed. The editor in question admits that this is original research at User talk:Davidcannon#FROM_MAIKELI. In the interests of full disclosure i must state that i know the editor in question in real life and I happen to have a very low opinion of him. --Xorkl000 13:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. User conflict in the above-linked material notwithstanding, the primary contributor of this article has admitted that it is the result of unverified original research. Serpent's Choice 13:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
This AFD should probably be extended to cover Keni Naulumatua II the described as the current title holder, with a similar edit history. Serpent's Choice 13:37, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
i think it would be better all of these AFD were merged with the one for Keni Naulumatua and Mere Tuisalalo, the issues are substantially the same.

do not delete the "Ai Cavuti vaka tikina" lists the "Turaga na Ravunisa" wrongly as when it was written there was a period between when Ratu Viliam Fonolahi died and then when Ratu Keni was then nominated by the Vanua of LOMALOMA THE LAU PROVINCIAL COUNCIL AND THE FIJIAN AFFAIRS BOARD WHO HAVE RECORDS AND WILL CONFIRM THIS, THIS IS A LONG ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND REQUIRES THE SIGNTURES OF ALL THE CHIEFLY FAMILY OF VALELEVU OF LOMALOMA TIKINA this process has already been completed. and the traditional installation would have taken place this year but current political events have changed this and next year looks like a more likely period. there are also early records that are kept by the Fijian affairs board also records in the "Au vola ni kawa bula" (the book holds all the records of titles and title holders and villages and their various families) at the Fijian affairs board which will confirm the soverenty of the "Turaga Na Rasau" please contact them direct before considering this and related articles for deletion. Actually all titles and articles on Fiji should be confirmed by the FAB (Fijian Affairs Board) and the variuos provincial councils to which they belong. many people entering information regarding Fijian traditional titles and history on wikipedia do not have expressed permission of the provinicial councils and the Fijian affairs board and therefore should all be re-considered and reviewed pending the endorsement of the respective councils and Tikinas to which this history and information belongs and it should be endorsed by the Great Council of Chiefs not just of one or two books written by individuals or one or two independant sources Thank you FROM USER MAIKELI

um, thats what you say, but you need to make these sources available to the community to judge their veracity. Verifiability, not Truth! --Xorkl000 21:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

So what you are saying Xork1000 is you'll print a lie as long it is verifiable??? thats interesting. Maikeli

these are not my rules, they are rules of this community as expressed in WP:V. If you are unable to follow them, then you need to find somewhere else to post this stuff --Xorkl000 04:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.