Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tokyo Red Hood

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No Consensus. Note that at least one editor said "Delete, barring substantial expansion" and substantial expansion has occured since then. The sole question here seems to be one of notability, and that is a judgement call, on which the editors commeting here are deeply divided. Ther is a general principle that notability is not gaimed by association, but on the other hand all works by highly notable authors are normally considered notable. Those favoring keep largely favored a rename, which i plan to do as an editorial action after the clsoe. DES (talk) 16:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

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Non notable comic. Prod was removed by an IP. Delete, unless sources are found proving notability. J Milburn 00:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete. A) Not notable B) No Souces C) A plot summary is not an article, and it sounds as if it came staight from this article's creator's mind. SpecialAgentUncleTito 00:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • DELETE barring substantial expansion.--ZayZayEM 01:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, stubify and rename Tokyo Akazukin, this site [1] shows that the real name of the series is "Tokyo Akazukin", which definitely appears to be notable Guycalledryan 02:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. There is nothing to expand here besides a plot summary and other in-universe cruft strictly deprecated by WP:NOT and WP:FICTION. 東京赤ずきん (the Japanese title) gets 275 non-duplicate GHits [2]. Another 6 if you write the whole title in Kanji as 東京赤頭巾 [3]. Another 179 for the Latin-alphabet "Tokyo Akazukin" [4]. None of these are WP:RS; they are all fansites or retailers. cab 03:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Wryspy 06:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. No reliable sources beyond trivial mentions, it seems. Plenty of fans enthusing about the series on message boards, but that doesn't equate to notability. JulesH 08:49, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 09:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep manga is notable enough to have a Japanese wikipedia page. Needs to be renamed Tokyo Akazukin, and expanded, with a lead that makes some assertion of notability. Doceirias 17:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, rename to Tokyo Akazukin. It was serialized and later reissued in Japan, there are several pages that link to it - That's good enough for me. Its a stub right now, that's all. Nothing inherently wrong with that, it just needs expansion. In fact, let's see here... Snarfies 22:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, rename, expand. Since the Japanese page is notable enough to exist, pulling some information from there should be sufficient to improve the English version. Jon R W 16:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Extra fuel for the fire - the manga artist is notable. His other works, The Sex Files and Blood the Last Vampire, have both been translated into english. http://get-ugly.jp/pornostar/en_menu.html Doceirias 19:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. It has been substantially expanded, enough for a stay of execution.--Nohansen 19:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: I am rather surprised there is so much support for this article- I am yet to see any sources that confirm the notability of the comic, and, even if the artist is notable (having works translated does not make someone notable...) that does not mean that this particular comic is notable. As this is not a vote, I am reasonably sure that this article is still heading for deletion, unless someone supplies some sources. J Milburn 20:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Any particular reason you're still gunning for this article? Its now a lot more substantial than a LOT of completely unsourced anime stubs that nobody seems to bat an eye at. Maybe there's something to it if its been so substantially expanded. Snarfies 22:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm still gunning for this article because I still do not see any reason to keep it. It has been expanded with unsourced details about the characters- I could write a far longer article on any book or comic of a decent length if that was all that had to be included. If I came across said stubs, I would bat an eye at them. Maybe there is something to this article, but if all these people saying 'yes, keep it' can't find any evidence of that, I am not too hopeful the evidence is out there, and any closing admin would see that too, and delete the article. J Milburn 22:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. I added more to the article and I really don't know why this article has any reason to be deleted besides someone saying the author isn't important enough to be on wikipedia. Which isn't a good reason at all. Jinkapo 03:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • No, people are saying the comic isn't notable enough, which is certainly a good reason. J Milburn 10:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Being translated absolutely does make a series or an author notable. It's the most basic and simple way to determine notability, and standard practice in these threads. If the author is notable, a series by him is certainly notable enough to warrant an article. Doceirias 17:51, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Unless I am missing something, a comic being translated is not an indicator of notability- what about books? Is every book ever translated notable? And an artist being notable doesn't make a notable comic- in the same way that not every book by a notable author, song by a notable singer, or statue by a notable sculptor is considered notable. J Milburn 17:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree with what you just said. A book being translated does not make it notable. But it does make the author notable. (Assuming the book is translated by a notable publisher.) I don't think either translated series by this author deserves a page - Blood is just a mention on the anime page - but Tokyo Akazukin is his most notable work. Mind you, the third sentence in the lead makes it pretty easy to dismiss the entire thing. Doceirias 20:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment These are the search results of 東京赤ずきん on Google Japan. are any considered reliable sources? If yes, it may satisfy WP:BK.--Kylohk 08:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep post-expansion. Notable-enough 4-volume manga. I couldn't imagine most 4-volume American book series being deleted. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:28, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.