Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sweet Muenster cheese

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete & redirect for Munchee cheese (the recent page move): I did some google research and figured out that it is Mun-chee cheese. There is no reason to propagate ignorance by redirect from "munster" `'Míkka>t 01:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sweet Muenster cheese

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Previously speedied but restored as controversial per WP:CSD. Procedural nomination, I have no opinion on the merit of the article. ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 15:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• delete article created as part of WP:POINT campaign of disruption by Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of MathStatWoman as a complaint over the existance of the article Utz chips, and serves merely as a WP:COATRACK for a recipe for microwaved cheese on crackers. Article is unsourced, save for one on-line recipe which includes the product as an ingredient. Pete.Hurd (talk) 16:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Weak keep, but rewrite. I don't know anything of this campaign-of-disruption business, but a Google search for "Sweet Muenster cheese" (in quotes) does turn up quite a few hits outside of the link provided and Wikipedia/mirrors. Howevere, I've had my run-ins with MathStatWoman and User:Alfred Legrand (I'm not quite sure which is a sockpuppet of which), so in another way I'm tempted to vote for nuke just to get rid of that plague of Wikipedia. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 18:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• This appears to be a real type of cheese but I don't see any sources except ones that include it as an ingredient. So redirect to Muenster cheese until sufficient sources can be found. --W.marsh 20:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• A google search excluding recipes returns a mere 39 hits, a number of which are wikipedia-derived. There appears to be some slight evidence that this is a real product but nothing I can find points to who makes it or substantiates any of the claims made in the article. Without better sourcing than this and given the concerns about probable bad-faith described above, delete and start over once we know what to actually say. By the way, Munchee cheese also appears to exist but I've been unable to verify the claim that it is an alternate name for "Sweet Muenster". Rossami (talk) 21:46, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• I'm going to ignore the provenance of the article, but even looking at the recipes I fail to see that this is something other than Muenster cheese. Absent sourcing by the end of the nomination I opt for deletion and starting from scratch at Muenster cheese. There is currently nothing worth preserving (no pun intended) in the article. ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 08:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect so that GFDL history is kept. --Solumeiras (talk) 12:54, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
  • If this is really "Munchee cheese", maybe the article should be a redirect to that cheese variety. I believe there is not yet an article Munchee cheese, so this could be moved there. If the recipes were deleted from the article, there would be nothing related to the deleted mathematician at all. Keep, but possible under the lemma "Munchee cheese"--Bhuck (talk) 13:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
    • When running a google search for ("sweet muenster" "munchee cheese" -wikipedia), only two articles show up: one is a blog-like entry claiming the two are synonyms, the other is a menu from a deli--under cheese varieties, "munchee" is not listed, but "sweet muenster" is listed separately from "muenster" (which makes sense since "sweet muenster" is a processed cheese food, while muenster is a regular cheese, obviously these two are different, so there should NOT be a redirect from "sweet muenster" to Muenster cheese as someone above suggested!), whereas they make a sandwich which has "munchee cheese" as an ingredient...presumably, if they have munchee cheese available, they would list it among their cheese varieties, and "sweet muenster" is as close as it comes, so I think there is at least circumstantial evidence that these terms both refer to the same kind of processed cheese food.--Bhuck (talk) 13:36, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Solumeiras, content doesn't appear to have been merged to any other page so the GFDL considerations would not appear to apply. Do you have evidence that content was moved to another page? By the way, what redirect target are you recommending? Rossami (talk)
• delete. Not verifiable as a separate product. No redirect. What next, a redirect form Muenster cheese sold in halfpound blocks? `'Míkka>t 21:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Since when is processed cheese food the same as cheese??--Bhuck (talk) 22:10, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per above, Note: I have struck out my earlier nomination. --Solumeiras (talk) 18:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
• I have the distinct impression that people are not reading the articles in question carefully enough and cannot distinguish between cheese and processed cheese products. I have reworked the article on Munchee cheese and moved it to that name in order to make the difference between the two products clearer. I also removed the recipes that were causing the "coatrack" problems noted above. Since a kosher processed cheese product is clearly not the same thing as a regular cheese, the people arguing for deletion on the basis that this is really the same thing as Muenster cheese are merely speculating without regard for cheese labelling requirements. The only other thing that seemed to be bothering people about the article was the "provenance" (and the surrounding issues), but now that I have re-worked the article and removed all references to the mathematician, I cannot understand why it should be deleted, unless this is a case of guilt by association, and a deli cheese product is being scapegoated because a certain mathematician likes to melt it on Triscuits...--Bhuck (talk) 08:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  • I generally accept that my "delete, unsourced" opinion is ignored in the closing when sources are subsequently added to the article. I can't see that here, although the clarification regarding types of cheese is appreciated, the article is still unsourced. ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 13:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Without some kind of sourcing to substantiate the claims made in the article (even as rewritten), this page still has to go. Who makes it? And why does this commercial product meet our generally accepted inclusion criteria for products? Rossami (talk) 14:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete The defenders of the article failed to address the major concern: verifiability. Mukadderat (talk) 16:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.