Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Semenmedjatre
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. --Coredesat 04:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Semenmedjatre
This Egyptian king does not exist and is probably an error. He is said to be the successor of Nebiryerawet I, but the latter king was succeeded by his son Nebiriau II. Clear cut case for deletion. Leoboudv 20:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete as hoax per nom. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 20:09, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Delete as hoax. - Caribbean~H.Q. 20:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)StrongkeepDoesn't anyone check things before piling on? It took me all of five seconds to find him listed on Websters (in the 17th Dynasty). Plus, while this may have been created by an anon IP, it's an anon IP with over 100 valid edits, not a vandalism spa — iridescent (talk to me!) 20:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)- Keep - He's right, though the anon linked only has about nine contributions. - Caribbean~H.Q. 20:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Oops, pasted the wrong link. Try it now — iridescent (talk to me!) 21:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Keep, real Pharoah. On another note, nominator forgot to add the AfD tag to the article, I have now done so. J Milburn 20:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete He only appears on Wikipedia because someone invented him. He never appears in scholarly books like Aidan Dodson's 'The Complete Royal Families of Ancient Egypt.' Also, Webster's dictionary site is a mere copy of Wikipedia's original article. Here is a professional web site by a real Egyptologist (Jacques kinnaer) on Theban dynasty; it lists Nebiriau/Nebiryerawet I and II but never Semenmedjatre. [1] Leoboudv 21:27, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Very good point and I concede I didn't notice it. He does appear on sites that aren't Wikipedia mirrors, making me still (weakly) go with keep, but I concede he isn't mentioned as much as I'd expect (although there are a lot of potential variant spellings of the name). FWIW, the same anon creator did also create Nebiryerawet I, Nebiryerawet II, Mentuhotep VI and Thuty, which makes me think they do know their 17th dynasty pharoahs — iridescent (talk to me!) 21:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Further comment Could he be identical to Semenenre, who seems to appear in roughly the same place in the dynasty? — iridescent (talk to me!) 21:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Very good point and I concede I didn't notice it. He does appear on sites that aren't Wikipedia mirrors, making me still (weakly) go with keep, but I concede he isn't mentioned as much as I'd expect (although there are a lot of potential variant spellings of the name). FWIW, the same anon creator did also create Nebiryerawet I, Nebiryerawet II, Mentuhotep VI and Thuty, which makes me think they do know their 17th dynasty pharoahs — iridescent (talk to me!) 21:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Delete The point is no one would confuse Semenenre with Semenmedjatre. Professional Egyptologists don't. They have Semenenre as either Semenre or Semenenre--not Semenmedjaatre. I don't even know where the name Semenmedjatre came from, I'm afraid. Leoboudv 22:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Strong delete this king is a phantom. He is not listed in TourEgypt's comprehensive list of 17th dynasty kings unlike Nebiriau I or II. Scroll to the 17th dynasty and have a look: [2] Artene50 21:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- The only way to be sure that this pharoah existed is to find - and cite - lots of sources that say he did. In the absence of those, delete. Jakew 23:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, I looked up the 17th dynasty in 3 different books by renowned authors, and neither of them mentions him. – Alensha talk 23:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Changing to Delete. I'm unable to find a WP:RS for him as well after some fairly thorough looking. The other Egyptology contribs from this author possibly need looking at as well in light of this — iridescent (talk to me!) 12:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
- You echo my thoughts here. Semenmedjatre should be deleted because he didn't exist. Leoboudv 19:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
