Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ming vase

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Smashed to pieces (aka Bj'd and redirected to Chinese porcelain until something excavates it and turns it into a real article.) ~ trialsanderrors 08:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ming vase

Wikipedia should have an article on Ming porcelain, and this page could then be a somewhat useful redirect. But it seems that we don't. Having an article titled "Ming vase" which contains nothing but references to slapstick comedy and video games is worse than nothing. I redirected this to Chinese porcelain long ago, but the silliness has been restored. u♦p♦p♦l♦a♦n♦d 07:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Please note that this is not an article on Ming porcelain; Wikipedia does not have an article on Ming porcelain. There is no such article to vote on. This is a completely unreferenced substub on the occasional mention of "Ming vases" in comedy or video games. If you want to keep an article on Ming porcelain, this is not the place to hang out; there is nothing in this stub remotely relevant to keep in a real article on Ming porcelain. If, on the other hand, you think Occasional references to Ming vases in comedies and video games to be an appropriate topic for an article, this is the page you are looking for. But, if you feel inclined to !vote "keep", I suggest that you demonstrate that this topic has been covered by reputable secondary sources. This page is an embarrassment to Wikipedia, as it just confirms the view of wikipedians as teenage geeks who don't consider anything important except insofar as there are references to it in "popular culture" (as defined from the perspective of the average 17-year old in Ohio). Uppland 05:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep If article expanded, and sources cited. Notable as a gag or "macguffin" often used in fiction. Wavy G 08:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep The article needs to heavily expanded,wikied, pics and sources added and linked to chinese porcelain and ming dynasty. I'm surprised there is not an wikipedia standard artlicle on this already. scope_creep 14:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. It should be expanded and get some sources, but I base my vote on whether it can become good, not if it is. Notable per Wave G. -Amarkov blahedits 15:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep I might update this myself. To collectors, Ming Dynasty porcelain is rather unusual, and vases are of particular stylistic note. It must be cleaned, expanded, cited, and wikified. Obviously anything widely used in popular culture is notable.--Elaragirl ||||||Talk|Count 16:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
  • The use of Ming porcelain in popular cultural is of no importance to its notability, and an actual article on the topic (which this is not) should not even mention comedy gags and obscure video games, as it is just not relevant to the topic
  • Redirect it back to Chinese porcelain until someone cares to write more about the subject than "A Ming vase is a vase from the period of the Ming Dynasty in China." You could've done so without coming to afd. —Cryptic 17:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: At the time this debate is closed, I look forward to seeing the article either (1) rewritten from scratch to be about Ming porcelain and moved to that title (and no references to comedy gags, please; it is just not relevant), or (2) expanded to be about comedy gags involving Ming vases, and citing some good secondary sources on that topic. upp♦land 18:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, notable gag that occurs frequently in pop culture. AFD is not a means to expand an article. hateless 18:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect to new stub, Ming porcelain or else merge to section in Chinese porcelain. I do not support an article on Ming vases alone - they should be contextualized with other forms of Ming porcelain, unless people are going to write so much on every kind of Ming porcelain that a spinoff is needed for space issues. Whatever happens, the article should be talking about the actual ming porcelain first and foremost, with its use as a cliche phrase in English as a secondary section. And for god's sake, remove the reference to the video game. This is not just a gag or fictional device, it refers to actual historical artifacts e.g. Recent article on US$10mm auction of Ming Dynasty vase] Bwithh 23:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: A redirect is appropriate, because the "Ming vaahs" is, as the article states, a stand-by prop in sitcoms and Vaudeville routines, so it's quite likely that the term would be entered in a box by anyone wanting to know what's so special about a Ming vase, as well as people looking for Ming dynasty pottery in general. I agree with the rest of what you say. Geogre 04:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment :: frankly, this is a stub, and a not-very-useful one. If there isn't an article about Ming porcelain then perhaps there should be. if there is, then the iota of useful material can be squeezed out of this, the title made a redirect, and the video-game cruft expelled into Outer darkness, there to languish until rescued by whoever runs the Wiki for people (Whether 17-year-old Ohians or not) with too much time on their hands. Sorry to sound callous, but I normally err on the side of keepign stuff if it looks marginally useable, but this does not. -- Simon Cursitor 08:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete There is no way this article is a keep. It contains no useful information and frankly should merely be a redirect to Ming porcelain as earlier mentioned. 193.129.65.37 08:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Chinese porcelain pending someone writing an article on Ming porcelain. Delete the content, nothing worth merging. KillerChihuahua?!? 23:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect: We should have a redirect, but what's there now is hilarious. Do any of the people voting to keep know why Ming dynasty pottery is inherently valuable? Anything about the clay and the firing process? The tin can usually tied to the car bumper is what we have here instead of the car: pop culture "Ming vase: object frequently broken by rubes in 1960's TV sitcoms, found in the following video games, w00t." If the choice is delete or keep alone, then delete, as what's there is not a valid seedling for an article on the porcelains. Geogre 04:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment Oh yeah? Well, what about the highly notable event when the Monkees had to spend the night at the haunted mansion, and Mickey Dolenz ended up getting hit over the head with a ming vase? Or what about the time Ricky said, "Luuucyyyy, I have to keep an eye on this ming vahhse for my boss toniiiight. I'm going to set it here on de table! Oh, and I have a show tonight, and as part of the act, I get hit over de head with this prop vase, which looks exactly like the real oonnnne, and I'm going to set it right here next to it, so don't get any ideaaaas!!" Wavy G 01:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Archive to WP:BJAODN then Redirect per everyone. Regards, Ben Aveling 07:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.