Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Maria Ho

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Maria Ho

Maria Ho (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Non-notable poker player that fails WP:BIO and WP:N. Bring the last woman in the WSOP ME in a single year is the same as being the oldest player left, or youngest player left, or as in the case of 2007 the most blind player player. There shouldn't be an article for every years WSOP ME longest lasting woman just because they were the longest lasting woman. –– Lid(Talk) 22:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC) This AfD has been announced to Wikiproject Poker

  • Weak Delete, the article is orphaned, the sources are not overly reliable, the person does not appear to be overly notable, and the article reads kind of like a Myspace profile. Speaking of Myspace, what kind of Wikipedia article contains someone's Myspace page in external links? GO-PCHS-NJROTC (Messages) 23:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Expand, notice the word "weak" in my original vote. This one was tough, but I don't think there's any need to delete this, and general consensus appears to be pointing towards keep. But please do remove the Myspace link; we have no use for links to people's Myspace profiles. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (Messages) 14:17, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. Easily meets WP:BIO... Poker Pages, Pokernews.com, Poker Listings. Should be speedy keep. And there are thousands of Wikipedia articles with official myspaces in the external links. 2005 (talk) 02:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per BIO1E ---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 02:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong keep - meets WP:BIO and we have (and should have) WP pages on many other comparably notable poker players. Deletion proposal is disruptive to our project, as sources should be consulted and evidence presented before such a proposal is registered. Badagnani (talk) 03:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep: Gosh, I don't know; Michelle Wie's article was only created the day after she became only the fourth woman to appear in a PGA event. That said, her lifetime earnings on the pro tour are over a quarter of a million; this is no fly-by-night player.  RGTraynor  03:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
    Are you seriously comparing Michelle Wie with Ho? Wie was notable not only because she was a woman, but because she was only 16 when she turned pro. She was highly hyped LONG before she went pro. Wie was notable. Ho? One event---and that wasn't even that memorable of an accomplishment.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 18:14, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Yes, I really am. The event to which I refer happened long before Wie turned pro, and if you will go back and look at the edit history of the Wie article, it was in fact created the day after she appeared in her first PGA event, thus plainly indicating it was created solely because she appeared in a PGA event ... in which, in fact, she did not make the cut, and did, in fact, nothing more notable in the eyes of Wikipedia up to that point than being a teenage girl playing in a men's event. One might even opine that it wasn't even that memorable of an accomplishment.  RGTraynor  04:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. Balloonman would certainly be correct on the BLP1E course, but I was able to find other independent reliable sources here about her finishes in other tournaments, meaning her notability is beyond the scope of just the 1E. MrPrada (talk) 04:01, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
    Once again, MrPrada would do well to investigate his citations again. Most of those Maria Ho's were not related to the poker player. According to the articles he linked to, Maria Ho is "vice president for corporate communications at the Universal Music Group" was involved in a case to remove the legal standing of "incompetent", involved with "Zomba/Jive Records", a Bishop, and a victem of a racial incident at UConn. If you add the word "Poker" to his search you end up with 18 that were. Of those 18, 14 deal explicitly with this one event. 2 were bad hits (EG not her) and 2 simply reported that she was still in the LA Poker Classic (along with every other player who was still in the tournament.) Also, if you look at Hendon Mob, she has made it to the money in tournaments a total of 10 times---only 3 of those were notable tournaments---none of which were better than 38th place. Please recall the note 8 on the BIO page, Participation in and in most cases winning individual tournaments, except the most prestigious events, does not make non-athletic competitors notable. This includes, but is not limited to, poker, bridge, chess, Magic:The Gathering, Starcraft, etc. This note was added explicitly to get rid of non-notable players such as this. There are literally thousands of non-notable players who occassionally make the cash. Making the money in a poker tournament does not add to notability because ANYBODY can join a tournament. This candidate remains a non-notable poker player and is only noted because she was the last woman defeated at the 2007 WSOP event at 38th place.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 17:47, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Using Google News at all in an afd is a terrible idea, as all those worthless links brought up make clear. However, as I point out above, unlike a couple others brought up in recent afds, she does have significant, dedicated coverage in Poker Pages, Pokernews and Poker Listings. 2005 (talk) 20:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • strong delete, inconsequential nn player. no wins. not many cites.Myheartinchile (talk) 22:36, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • keep She received media attention due to being last woman standing in the Main Event rather or not people believe that the "last woman standing" should receive that kind of attention is irrelevant.▪◦▪≡SiREX≡Talk 00:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete I was unable to locate any sources related to anything other than the single event. So I believe that WP:BIO1E should rule in the AfD, but I would certainly reconsider if additional sources could be located. --Captain-tucker (talk) 16:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


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