Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lynnmall

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Jaranda wat's sup 23:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lynnmall

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Fails WP:N and WP:CORP. Jauerback 14:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete no claim to notability--Victor falk 15:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Agreed. I refuse to believe that every shopping center needs an entry. Brianyoumans 16:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. I'm going to quote a comment from another AfD, while I don't entirely agree with every detail it contains important truths: "All malls should have articles here because they are the local landmarks of our times, often replacing Main Street or town squares. They have as much influence on towns as highways, schools, or stadiums. They are substantial economic enterprises and raise major issues involving land use, taxation, and globalization. Too many people love to talk, read or write about them for us to play silly games and try to exclude them. This may be hard for people to believe, but in the real world, they are far more important than the latest Virtual community, Pokemon card, or webcomic." Mathmo Talk 21:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletions. -- Mathmo Talk 21:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: one second with google turns up a couple of useful references that I've included into the article, and that is from looking no further than the first page of results! Mathmo Talk 21:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Mathmo.-gadfium 05:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malls-related deletions. —Thewinchester (talk) 12:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete shopping malls are interesting, yes, even useful, but not inherently notable. Carlossuarez46 21:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. As Mathmo has demonstrated, sources exist to prove the notability of this article, and considering how easy it was for him to find those, it's pretty hard to believe that there isn't more material if someone wanted to expand this. Rebecca 03:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment Quoting directory style information and news articles regarding events which just happened to occur at the mall - the robbery could have happened anywhere, the article was about the robbery - does not establish notability in line with WP:N.Garrie 23:04, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Notability demonstrated, and article is now a well-structured and properly referenced stub, and includes information of news events relating to the centre. Thewinchester (talk) 03:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Only 82% of the size to qualify as a"regional" and the refs are only releases from the management, from a steel supplier, and coverage of a robbery. Needds more independent references to show the mall itself has historic or economic importance beyond its immediate area. The refs do not satisfy WP:N and the size does not even satisfy the rejected proposal for mall notability WP:MALL. That said, it is a very nice little article, and those working on it are to be complemented. Edison 20:58, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Very similar to this AfD; same reasoning applies. --xDanielxTalk 23:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Same reasoning? Sizes are radically different. Vegaswikian 00:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
      • 120 stores v. 116 stores? I don't see a radical difference. If you have evidence that one mall is significantly larger, I'd be happy to see it. I won't claim that the facts backing my comparison were entirely comprehensive (I don't know the mean area of each store, for instance), but I did have a reasonable factual basis for my comparison, if not a perfect one. Again, if you can present more comprehensive facts, I'd be happy to see them. --xDanielxTalk 08:29, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Really a small mall. If there is local importance, then merge to New Lynn per WP:LOCAL. Vegaswikian 00:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Jameeserano 22:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete While the sources cited are reliable:
    • Three are directory style only so do not assert notability
    • One is about a robbery, not the subject of this article
    • The only other one is pretty much a promotional puff piece from the steel supplier.
ie, none of the references cited to date are significant independent coverage about Lynnmall. Garrie 23:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  • You call it "promotional fluff" from the steel supplier, yet would a steel supplier ever mention supplying your roofing? Of course not. Because your house is not notable (I presume... unless you are the Queen of England?). They are only mentioning it because it is notable, unlike your house. Mathmo Talk 03:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm... sorry if it comes across in a bit of a "yo mamma..." tone. I bear no ill feelings towards your house(or mother...)! Mathmo Talk 04:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.