Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lissa Lauria

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Eluchil404 (talk) 20:30, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lissa Lauria

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Based on her IMDB page she hasn't done anything of note yet. Possibly in the future, but for now she isn't notable. IrishGuy talk 20:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Based on her past accomplishments and her future films at such a young age, most notably one upcoming with Uma Thurman (in talks), she is someone to be added to Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dobs7 (talk • contribs)
  • Delete Fails notability guidelines for actors, regardless of age. Note that the above comment was placed by the page's author, and said user has not made any other edits unrelated to this actress' page yet. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 20:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

This is my first submission and edit, but as a writer, would like to begin doing more here. All of what I submitted was based on actual and factual information which can be referenced on this page. Being aware of the boy band, NLT, and having this young lady's name included on V Sevani's page, I thought it would be a very good idea to be able to connect with someone that was named there to gather further information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dobs7 (talk • contribs) 20:30, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

The references are about the same single film. One film does not notability make. IrishGuy talk 20:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I understand that, but doesn't it make sense that when a name is mentioned in Wikipedia that there usually is interest in finding out who that person is? That's how I even submitted this, because of that reason. This allows people to follow a thread from one person to another giving them greater information which is why this site is here. Just a thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dobs7 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete. Notability to come. --Dhartung | Talk 21:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

After becoming more aware of Wikipedia guidelines, I continue to feel that this is of great interest considering that this person is mentioned on an independent topic from this. I read the following: The topic of an article should be notable, or "worthy of notice"; that is "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded."[1]. Notable in the sense of being "famous", or "popular" - although not irrelevant - is secondary. With notable, secondarily being 'famous' or 'popular' I feel it deserves to be listed. Again, considering that Lissa Lauria was mentioned on V Sevani's listing, it surely is significant and interesting. BTW, I'm enjoying learning more. I will soon become a greater part of this and hopefully contribute to a greater degree. Thanks.DobsDobs7 (talk) 22:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

  • delete - if she's significant enough that someone could potentially write a book about her - not just a promo piece from her publicist or her film studio, mind you - then she's worth having a separate article about her on Wikipedia. I don't see that right now. Peripheral people don't get their own articles. Also, btw, I edited the article - every article here is supposed to be written in an encyclopedic style, and assertions of fact are supposed to be supportable. Statements like "Lauria knew that the stage was calling her" aren't really supportable, unless maybe they were reported in an independent third-party source that meets Wikipedia's reliability standards, in which case they should be reported as "in an interview in Variety magazine, Lauria said that she knew that the stage was calling her". AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 14:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

What is unforunate as a new user of Wikipedia, is that I guess I've learned that when something is added to be an extension of another topic, namely V Sevani where Lauria is mentioned, that you can just remove the statement about her and an upcoming film with Uma Thurman. Is that how these things are solved? Do you just delete what proves someone should be included because it proves to be an article of interest? Furthermore, you are getting obviously very personal which I did not think was supposed to happen when 'discussing' this. I am not a publicist or anyone like that. I'm someone that is on the fringes of the industry and knows of NLT and wanted to include the person that was spoken of in that article. If the 'flowery language' of the 'stage was calling her' is offensive to Wikipedia, then I'll change it if you didn't edit it already. But a true statement on V Sevani's page should not have been removed because it helped the reason to delete this. I added it again. It was there to begin with and no one is disputing V Sevani's page.Dobs7 (talk) 14:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

comment - I can appreciate the concern over the speed of AfD from creation of article. I didn't check that when I posted my !vote above. However, you've got to admit, this is like more of a VSCA article than the typical "geez, give the guy a few days to fix it up" submission. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 15:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
If she seems to be at the start of a career, it's probably worth keeping the article around for now as it is likely it can and would only be expanded and improved over time. If she suddenly just disappears, then, I could see deleting it, but right now it strikes me as premature. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 16:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I understand your position. Though, at the same time: we could say the same about every vanity article on Wikipedia. Thus the elder gods gave us WP:N and WP:RS so that we could come to our decisions. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 17:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
There's no real problem with Wikipedia having many articles. Early editions of even the most revered encyclopedias had articles entirely based on primary sources and that were wildly inaccurate, but they made do with what they could because it concerned an element of human knowledge. If nothing else, I think Dobs7 makes a valid point below. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 17:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: what IrishGuy said, if you investigate Lauria further, you will see many notable accomplishments for such a young age, not only in the field of acting but as a singer/songwriter as well. She is the lead singer (as well as soloist) in an L.A. band called L Squared (obviously from the LL in her name) and if you go to their myspace, their fan base is huge with many street teams, fansites, etc. I agree that deletion is pre-mature, especially with greater notoriety coming from a film in pre-production. Also, according to further online information, she just booked another film made for Lifetime TV called "Jake's Wing". I feel that her page on Wikipedia will be added to and probably very quickly over the next few months. Dobs7 (talk) 17:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Myspace means less than nothing here. Fan sites mean less than myspace here. We want real sources. You're unfortunately making it seem like her Wikipedia article was created in a street-teaming exercise. The request was simple: provide reliable sources to demonstrate her notability. If you want to learn more, read WP:N and WP:RS for clarification. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 17:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Obviously, I'm not part of a street team. That's actually funny if you knew my age. I added that because of Irishguy saying about 'cult following' and fans. That's the only reason. There has been many realiable sources provided to demonstrate that, and as every day goes by, there seems to be more and more, which will probably continue on a steady basis.Dobs7 (talk) 18:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

  • One more additional comment - why does someone keep removing the name "Lissa Lauria" off of V Sevani's page? The film that he is in with Lauria and Uma Thurman has been on there for quite some time and is a fact which is spoken of all over the internet. I did not add that originally. But now that the name Lissa Lauria is being discussed if it's notable enough and the possibility of deletion, someone keeps removing her name. I'm beginning to wonder why that is happening and if this hasn't gotten very personal, although I've been told that it should never be so.Dobs7 (talk) 22:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
    • It is an unsourced statement that doesn't belong in that article. It was originally added by XoBrianaox who only edited four articles and hasn't edited since February. IrishGuy talk 23:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
    • Unsourced? It's all over the internet and is in pre-production. It's also on the production company's site as well as V Sevani's NLT websites. That's how I ended up here. It seems to me that it keeps getting removed because that's the one reason to keep Lissa Lauria's page. My question is, why wasn't it removed from V Sevani's page before? It's been there for quite a while. Why only now? I will put it back with sources as soon as I have time. It's a statement that was put there by someone who obviously felt it was an important part of the young man's career and being his first feature film, it is. Is there a 'higher' authority that a person can appeal to re: the omission from V Sevani's page? If there is, I will find them.Dobs7 (talk) 02:35, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.