Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Just Good Friends (song)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus, defaulting to keep. Unlike The Lady In My Life (above), this article has substantive content discussing this specific song and why it is notable, and has specific references. NawlinWiki 03:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just Good Friends (song)

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Non-notable album track, not a single. Creator is on a "create an article on every Michael Jackson album track spree". I tried redirecting, but the originator refused to leave it that way. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Speed Demon (song). Corvus cornix 06:49, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment Well there aren't exactly guidelines on what warrants a song its own article. Superior1 06:51, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - I think that we should allow time for references to be added to this article. References are out there, and instead of mindlessly deleting articles we should strive to find them. Give it time. --Paaerduag 07:01, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
    • References about what? References which say this is other than a non-notable album track? Such references will not exist, because it isn't anything other than a non-notable album track, no matter how many references you stick onto the article. Corvus cornix 07:05, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
  • If it has references, it would lead one to the conclusion that it isn't entirely non-notable.Paaerduag 11:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete This song is a non-notable album track. References that prove otherwise should be produced now for the article kept, not vaguely promised for some future time. See Talk:HIStory for other problems related to this editor, where I proposed the merging of several of these non-notable tracks to their parent album (using the proper Proposed Mergers page etc.) and had the proposal closed by this editor in less than a week after a 2-1 vote by 2 members of WikiProject Michael Jackson. GassyGuy 12:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete or redirect back to the album per WP:MUSIC. EliminatorJR Talk 22:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Obviously you have entirely misread what I have said. If a song has references, that means that it isn't totally, 100% non-notable as some would have you believe. Also, I'm not promising references for some future time; don't put words in my mouth. Also, GassyGuy, were you planning to actually rebut the HIStory merging issue at the time, or where you going to keep your opinion quiet until some future time, such as now, when you could use the issue to your advantage? I'm getting references, whether you like it or not. --Paaerduag 02:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Expanded and referenced - shallow promises eh? I've added references, and am continuing to do so. Also, please don't quickly shut the other Afd's (as many of you would like) as I am going to improve them as well.Paaerduag 03:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • LOOK - I'd call it a lot better than it was. Sure, it ain't a long article, but it's referenced, and therefore it isn't as obscure as you might like. It no longer deserves to be deleted.Paaerduag 03:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Song reviews do not make a non-notable album track notable. Corvus cornix 16:25, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep the proposed notability guidelines for songs includes "2: is a released single by a notable artist, band or group." This guideline is consistent with other notability guidelines that gives implied notability to a number of groups/writers/etc based upon affiliation to famous people (just look at WP:MUSIC and you'll see how this criteria is consistent with other notability guidelines there.)Balloonman 18:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Except it wasn't a single, so that guideline doesn't apply. EliminatorJR Talk 18:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
      • I missed the phrase single... but I would still argue that any song on a platinum album is noteworthy. This album is 8x platinum.Balloonman 21:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
        • Fine, but then where does that level of notability stop? That's why the guideline is there. EliminatorJR Talk 22:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
          • Notability is just a guideline... I am not a music person... I couldn't identify 10 songs that reached the top 100 in the past year. I'm more into sports. But I have more respect for any song on a platinum album than I do for that backup linebacker who gained notability via a single game... or the book that nobody has heard about, but was written by somebody famous. The guidelines are broken, but if the potential exists for these non-notables to be considered notable, then you would be hard pressed to convince me that a song on a platinum album is any less notable.Balloonman 04:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep I believe that a song that is on a multi-platinum album (in this case, 32 million copies worldwide) is a very notable song. Note that there are no current guidelines on song notability, see WP:SONG#Notability; There are currently no specific guidelines for the notability of songs. It is currently being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Notability and Music Guidelines/Songs. Contrary to what people have posted in this AfD, there ARE references in this article, maybe they have been added since it was nominated for AfD. Also I believe this discussion should be merged with Speed Demon (song) - ARC GrittTALK 23:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • And yet it still fails the primary notability criterion. That one trumps all other guidelines, including WP:MUSIC, which does leave grey area, although it does not explicitly pass any of those criteria either. Basically, this amounts to "keep because I think being on a notable album is good enough," but there is no policy which backs that up. GassyGuy 00:54, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. chocolateboy 22:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - funny how the concert image has mysteriously stopped working in the infobox. I don't know why, but I'm still puttin' it in as a thumbnail. If anyone knows why it doesn't work in the infobox, please tell. If anyone subterfugely removed it, sorry but it ain't going nowhere.--Paaerduag 03:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete by WP:MUSIC. Every Jackson album is notable, and most sold very well. However, that does not mean that every song on all those albums deserves an article. The song has to assert its own notability, either through cultural influence or popularity (did it chart well?). Tdmg 00:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Bad. ¿SFGiДnts! ¿Complain! ¿Analyze! ¿Review! 21:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete or Redirect to Bad. I don't like the trend of "every song for every notable albume deserves an article". While I did feel that Speed Demon had enough notability due to how prominently it was featured in Moonwalker, this one has no such secondary claim to notability beside simply being on a notable album. Trusilver 21:46, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 05:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.