Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Speed Demon (song)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus, defaulting to Keep, similar to Just Good Friends (song). NawlinWiki 03:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speed Demon (song)

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Non-notable album track. Every track on every album doesn't need an article. Corvus cornix 06:24, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Redirect to the album (Bad (album)). All info here is in the album article. Not-a-keep not-a-vote. -- saberwyn 06:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Creator is on a "create an article on every Michael Jackson album track" spree. Corvus cornix 06:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Comment I was only planning to do HIStory, Thriller, Bad and maybe Dangerous. Blood on the Dance Floor and Invincible are unnotable. Superior1 06:40, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I tried redirecting Just Good Friends (song) to the album article, but Superior1 refuses to leave it that way. Therefore I have been compelled to nominate Just Good Friends (song) for deletion as well. Corvus cornix 06:50, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - I think that we should allow time for references to be added to this article. References are out there, and instead of mindlessly deleting articles we should strive to find them. Give it time. --Paaerduag 07:02, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Adding references doesn't make this anything more than what it is, a non-notable album track. Corvus cornix 07:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nomination. Dazz|Talk 07:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete just being part of a notable album by a notable artist does not grant notability to a song. Unless the song made the charts/win notable awards etc, its not notable. I dont see any references to those in the artilce Corpx 08:02, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect to the album. This song does not pass WP:SONG. --Charlene 08:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Non-notable album track. Viable as a redirect, not as an article. GassyGuy 12:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete or redirect back to the album per WP:MUSIC. EliminatorJR Talk 22:47, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect/Merge per Charlene and Saberwyn.--JForget 01:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - I have repeated myself over and over again, but I hope not onto deaf ears. Look at the Just Good Friends (song) article if you don't believe me. That is what I intend to do to all four of these disputed articles. If you cut me short then I cannot. I ask for one thing, and one thing only: time. Give me a little bit of time to improve and cite these articles. That is all I am asking. Look at the Just Good Friends article if you think I am just talking. I am not. I am DOING.Paaerduag 04:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Notability of subject - I do not think that this is an entirely obscure, non-notable song anyway. It was, after all, featured on the film Moonwalker by Michael, and there is a music video that accompanies this. That makes it notable, after all. Paaerduag 04:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Just because a movie used it and a music video was made does not make this notable. I'd guess that thousands of songs fit this criteria Corpx 04:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Well I still think it does make it notable.Paaerduag 04:40, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I believe that songs that are on platinum alblums should be notable by default. The alblum is a major oneBalloonman 21:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep I believe that a song that is on a multi-platinum album (in this case, 32 million copies worldwide) is a very notable song. Note that there are no current guidelines on song notability, see WP:SONG#Notability; There are currently no specific guidelines for the notability of songs. It is currently being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Notability and Music Guidelines/Songs. Contrary to what people have posted in this AfD, there ARE references in this article, maybe they have been added since it was nominated for AfD. Also I believe this discussion should be merged with Just Good Friends (song) - ARC GrittTALK 23:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • There are references, but there are not references which demonstrate notability. WP:NOTE establishes that "a topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." The sources either are not reliable sources or deal not primarily with the song, but with its parent album. That is a strong case for discussing the song within the article for its album, but not for keeping this one as its own independent article. GassyGuy 00:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. chocolateboy 22:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - This is Michael Jackson. This is a notable song by Michael Jackson. Can we leave the bureaucracy at home on this one? It's obviously notable, if not for its interesting usage/subversion of a negative slang word normally reserved for Hispanics alone. In short the article has potential. --Manboobies 01:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
The point is that there's yet to be any reliable source presented that shows it does indeed meet the guidelines set out by WP:NOTE. Notability is not subjective. I've seen nowhere that says "It must meet the criteria except if it's associated with Michael Jackson, in which case we can ignore them." GassyGuy 04:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Rolling Stone magazine IS notable. Why do you keep ignoring that one? Also, why must it be about the song itself? I don't see why comments within a larger framework are wrong? And if you start quoting WikiProjects, I'll simply direct you to WP:SONG, which states that "there are currently no guidelines for the notability of songs."--Paaerduag 09:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not ignoring Rolling Stone. If you read me, I already said that this is not non-trivial coverage of the song, as the primary topic of the article is the album, proving the notability of the album, not the song. Also, I don't see why you're linking to WP:SONG when it is not the WikiProject's unofficial notability guidelines I am invoking, but rather the primary notability guideline. I am starting to feel like a broken record and apologize to whoever closes this. GassyGuy 00:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.