Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hernán Iribarren

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Note that this applies to Iribarren only, not the other players mentioned by Bat ears. Every player's career is different, and should be looked at independently. Resolute 19:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hernán Iribarren

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This person is nn. Never a MLB player. His highest level reached was AA. Bat ears (talk) 06:55, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

• Delete: Not only Iribarren, but others non notables in the Milwaukee Brewers org. that have usless Wikipedia articles such as: Alcides Escobar, Steve Bray (baseball), Joe Bateman, Vince Perkins, Jeff Housman... and there are a bunch more (trust me). I will compile a list and nominate them all as soon as I find some time. Bat ears (talk) 07:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Just a comment, you'd be better off nominating them seperately, because all baseball players have had different careers and should not be a grouped nomination. --Borgarde^talk 00:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Minor league baseball is professional baseball. While most coverage of the individual appears to be game-related, I believe there is enough out there to establish notability. (Mind meal (talk) 08:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC))

Delete Minor league is far from Major League, and there's plenty of precedent for minor leaguers being considered nonnotable. Moreover, I believe (not sure though) that minor league isn't fully professional. Nyttend (talk) 16:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment: I think youre right. Ive always heard of minor leaguers as being classified as "semi"-pro. Bat ears (talk) 18:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment League minimum in AA (in 2005) was $1500 a month, generally for a 5 month season IIRC. That translates to $7500 a year -- not what I would call "fully professional", which I take to be a position where you wouldn't need another job.--Fabrictramp (talk) 23:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 23:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. AA baseball doesn't meet my def of "fully professional" (see comment above); ghits and google news are coming up with only passing mentions, fan blogs/forums, and official team web sites.--Fabrictramp (talk) 23:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Changing to Keep based on info given by Spanneraol.--Fabrictramp (talk) 23:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Iribarren played in the 2005 All-Star Futures Game and was a Florida State League All-Star in 2007 as well as being the Arizona Fall League Most Valuable Player in 2004. Baseball Cube site has info on him. Seems to have enough sucess at the minor league level to meet notability requirements of WP:BIO and WP:BASEBALL. Spanneraol (talk) 23:44, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment: Having an information profile on baseballcube.com does not establish ones notability. Baseballcube is a wonderful site that has information on virtually every person that has EVER played Minor League Baseball, (even at the lowest levels possible). In fact, Baseball-reference.com has this information as well. Here is the bio for Iribarren from Baseball-reference.com: [1]. Iribarren is on milb.com as well. However, this still does not make him notable on Wikipedia at this stage of his career. Bat ears (talk) 00:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment on comment -- I understood it that Spanneraol was giving Baseball Cube as a reference for MVP and All-Star games, which it does.--Fabrictramp (talk) 00:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

• Keep: Meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability by playing in a professional league, and meets Wikiproject Baseball's more stringent requirement of having "won a notable Minor League Baseball award, or been selected for any minor league baseball All-star game in the affiliated minor leagues." Kinston eagle (talk) 03:11, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Not all minor leaguers are notable, but as an All Star and Futures Game participant, Iribarren pretty clearly is. He's also a member of the Brewers' 40-man roster. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 16:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

• Also, it would be a bad idea to nominate Perkins or Escobar for deletion, since Perkins played for the Canadian national team in the 2006 World Baseball classic, and Escobar played in the 2007 Futures Game. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 16:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.