Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fondation Calvet

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[edit] Fondation Calvet

The result was Keep as notability is asserted per references provided below. (Non-admin closing) - Milk's Favorite Cookie 21:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

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This article is really short and gives no information about this museum. More, this place is really little known in France and fr:Fondation Calvet has been deleted a few days ago. Do we need an article about each little foundation in the world ?

--Pymouss44 Causer 22:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment. The article was deleted from the French Wikipedia as a copyvio, not for lack of notability. --Eastmain (talk) 00:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep As the English version of the website explains, this museum houses a significant and varied collection, and is clearly notable - far more so than dozens of American museums we have entries for. I have added a bit to the article - there is far more information available. I suspect the nominator does not come from the region. Johnbod (talk) 01:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. The Museum site describes just one part of their collection: "In 1947, Parisian collector Joseph Rignault gave fifty-two paintings and forty-nine watercolors, pastels and drawings from the 19th and 20th centuries to the museum. His donation included works by Manet, Daumier, Cézanne, Berthe Morisot, Forain, Guillaumin, Toulouse-Lautrec, Marquet, Modigliani, Dufy, Vlaminck, Utrillo, Rouault. There are also five paintings by Chaïm Soutine, unique in France outside of Paris." For comparison the Tate only has 3 Soutine paintings.[1] How about nom withdrawal and speedy keep? Ty 02:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep This seems a worthwhile article, and a worthwhile collection, per Johnbod (talk) and above. - Modernist (talk) 11:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong keep Johnbod is right I am the nominator and live in Ireland.I started the page because the foundation maintains the important natural history collections (regionally very important) of the botanist Esprit Requien (1788-1851)once it's director - see the French page which I will shortly translate - as well as those of the founder Colvet.I see now it is an important art museum as well.Incidentally the Wikipedia pages cover Velletri which is not mentioned in the English language tourist guides. It's excellent museum would never be seen despite the superb and superbly displayed Early Christian sarcophagus far better than those in the Vatican museums. Notafly (talk) 20:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - absolutely, for it's among the oldest and most important public collections in southern France. And please note: the Foundation is all but identical with the Museum Calvet. Therefore, the entry should be renamed (Musée Calvet), and the foundation should be described at the Founders page (Calvet). --rpd (talk) 22:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I'd agree with the rename, except that the Foundation now runs three units in 3 locations; I think the situation is better handled with redirects, which need to be done. Johnbod (talk) 22:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Just one moment please, I have to check it. --rpd (talk) 22:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
The founder, Esprit Calvet, has already an entry. Thus, renaming/shifting the page will cause little problem.--rpd (talk) 22:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I think you miss my point. You have the main Musée Calvet, the Musée Lapidaire, and the Library (which includes the coins, and the prints I think). In fact here there seem to be 9 different museums involved - only one "branded" as the "Musée Calvet". Johnbod (talk) 22:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, let's have a word on administration (the museum, for example) and ownership (the foundation, one of more possibilities), for then we are at least at the soil of the problem. The Museum Calvet houses various collections, one of which is part of the Calvet Foundation, which, on the other hand, owns (or once owned?) things which are now in the Louvre. Here at WP, it's our task not to mix up these things, I believe.--rpd (talk) 23:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Exactly - but I think it is the other way round - the Louvre has deposited objects in Avignon. What about all the other musems? Johnbod (talk) 23:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
For the deposits of the Louvre you're right - sorry. The Musée Lapidaire is, at present, evidently seen over by the Musée Calvet (and appears on its webpage). Musée Calvet's own entry on WP was redirected to Esprit Calvet, by Wetman. All entries involved are stubs, and now? --rpd (talk) 21:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
It should clearly redirect to this article. But the foundation also run the Petit Palais, the Natural history Museum, the Jewish museum etc etc. Since we don't have articles on these, we should add them to this article under the founation name. I'll copy all this to the talk page, where it should be continued. Johnbod (talk) 23:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.