Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doctor Who logo

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result wasNo consensus though merge with History of Doctor Who is a logical conclusion to this afd(article size aside), as is the tranwiki to TARDIS. These alternatives need further discussion on the article talk page as a combination of both is probably the ideal. I also note that information in this article doesnt date match information already in the History of Doctor Who Gnangarra 12:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doctor Who logo

Doctor Who logo (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Non-notable, and an article on the logo of one tv series is not encyclopedic. PROD failed. OZOO (What?) 20:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

However, as the page shows information on the logo's changes through time, and due to the fact that a logo section does not fit on the main Doctor who page, it is required...Mrmccollough 20:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep - If the Doctor Who page was not so large, this would belong their, but because of its size, I believe it should be kept here. See Wikipedia:Summary style. Although, it would be somewhat better with some pictures :P Tiddly-Tom 20:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou for your help in this matter, i appreciate it anyone else? Mrmccollough 20:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

  • I'm probably Doctor Who's biggest American fan, but I'm going to have to favor delete and merge with History of Doctor Who. I don't think enough information exists to make this worthy of an article. =David(talk)(contribs) 20:52, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

If i could find someone with permission to place images on this article, i think tahat would make it worthy, no? Mrmccollough 20:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Images don't necessarily make it worthy. I think placing it within History of Doctor Who would be the best solution. But we'll see what kind of consensus emerges.
Oh, and if this page survives the AfD, I'm going to be a huge contributor.  :-)=David(talk)(contribs) 20:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - History of Doctor Who is already quite large. I think it warrants its own article to prevent others becoming to large. Tiddly-Tom 20:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Definitly seconded! Mrmccollough 21:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC

Oh and to =David, if this page does indeed survive this process a huge contribution would be more than welcome! Mrmccollough 21:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

How can you merge an article about a logo and a program? though they are focused on the same program they are totally different articles! Mrmccollough 21:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. The history of the logo is the history of the program; each one reflects the era's sensibilities, tastes, feels, likes, etc. Therefore, the articles can and should be the same. In my opinion. =David(talk)(contribs) 21:11, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I see your point, however this article deals with the design and look of the logo itself, whereas the history article is clearly an article for things that happened in the show. The design of the logo shoul surely be kept separate. Mrmccollough 21:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
(About 3ecs!) It is an article about the history of the program, and this article is about the history of the logo of a program :P They could be merged, but I think the current History Page is long enough to mean that this article should be kept here Tiddly-Tom 21:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

A quote from the history of doctor who editing page: This page is 66 kilobytes long.! Surely that lenth warrents leaving this as a separate artical, with a link on the history page Mrmccollough 21:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete. Non notable. Since when have we started having articles discussing TV show logos? Add the link to the site with the logos [1] to the main article. If anyone wants to see the logos they can go to that site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazysuit (talk • contribs) 01:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge - the subject does not warrant an article of its own. The history of the logo is not particularily notable - logos, titles, and such for programmes are commonly redone or refreshed throughout the run of the series. The fact that the DW logo has so many versions is a testament to the long run, not to the logo's design. Furthermore, unless someone can provide reference sources, there is no way to flesh out the article beyond the simple "this is the logo at year x" format. There's already a bunch of text that has to go due to being non-encyclopedic. (I actually tried to clean it up earlier, but my browser crashed. I'll try another pass later on.) --Ckatzchatspy 01:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete I'm a huge doctor who fan but this needs to go. I think we have found one of the limits of inheriting notability. I've said it before and I'll say it again just because it won't fit in the main article is not a reason to create a new page. You have to ask yourself if the information should just be removed. This is one of those cases. Ridernyc 01:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Would also like to add that DR. Who is the perfect subject to have it's own wiki. If no one has started one I highly recommend it would support this all being transwiki'd to it. Ridernyc 02:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Think I'm going to be spending sometime there. Also change my vote to transwiki since I checked and it seems this info is not on there. Ridernyc 07:42, 20 October 2007 (UTC)



comment: I have recently added the dates each logo was used, this is added to the information on the page to fill it out...Mrmccollough 10:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I plan to add a more detailed description of each logo...Mrmccollough 11:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC) Further information on colour and shape has been added to each logo's description in order to lenthen the article...Mrmccollough 11:44, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete. No independent notability. If the filler (much of which is repetitious and added recently in an attempt to save the article - see above comment by Mrmccullough) were removed from this page it would easily compress to a single paragraph or a table in the main article. Cosmo0 12:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

More links to other pages, and a description of the article has now been added... Thankyou cosmo0 for your help in editing...Mrmccollough 13:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC) THE HISORY OF DOCTOR WHO PAGE PAGE IS 66kb LONG!!! Surely this constitutes separtating the logo history into a separate article???Mrmccollough 13:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Why does nobody listen... The history of doctor who is to long to merge!Mrmccollough 14:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not. it's only 66Kb long, and this article could easily be reduced and merged without losing that much info. --OZOO (What?) 18:44, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

66 Kilobytes has to belong enough to warrent splitting this to its own article surely!!!Mrmccollough 15:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
But it doesn't free up space, and there is no definitive guide to article size. If HoDW IS too large than we could (theoretically) Merge into Doctor Who theme music and move the combined article to Doctor Who opening sequence or something else. --OZOO (What?) 16:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

That's not bad thinking actually...Mrmccollough 20:00, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Merge I'm sorry, guys, I gave this article a steroid shot worth of cleanup, but it won't survive on its own unless you bring some good data into it. I know, the main Doctor Who page is large, but this page will probably be deleted otherwise. Mindraker 22:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Don't merge: The article's 84kb as it is, strewing the logo in will just make it larger while adding little in terms of quality. Either keep if it's sufficient for its own article or delete it. Wizardman 20:39, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - not really notable - the credit sequence alone is not normally notable for any other show is it? Besides the article is somewhat pointless because it describes in text what pictures look like (wihtout providing the pictures). Given that nobody not already familiar with Dr Who logos would be able to envisage what said logo looked like just from this article's descriptions and also given that anyone already familiar with what they look like doesn't need to read the article - who, exactly, is it for? Fancruft. A1octopus 01:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to History of Doctor Who. Severely reduce the content as it is too much original research. The content of this article is not attributed to suitable sources. “The Doctor who logo collection” link is to a fan site, which not to a sufficiently reputable source. The target (History of Doctor Who) is rather large, but that is just too bad. Content that is independently notable can be split off. The logo stuff is not sufficiently notable on its own. --SmokeyJoe 12:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.