Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BlueFish TV

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus defaulting to keep. Clearly no consensus to delete this, and their heavy sales to churches combined with mainstream coverage of their wildly popular GodTube video (they are apparently formally partnered with GodTube as well) suggests that this company might well pass the minimum notability threshold. Further sourcing, perhaps from Christian publications as Wikidemo suggests, is obviously desirable.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 21:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BlueFish TV

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Does not appear to be a notable company per WP:CORP. Verifiability not an issue. Stifle (talk) 08:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

They have sold products to 92,000 churches and there is roughly 450,000 churches[1]. That means 1 in 5 churches has bought from them. The median church in the U.S. has 75 regular participants in worship on Sunday mornings.[2] That's almost 7 million people that have viewed their videos. Hodgedup 09:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment - the article is not sourced sufficiently to pass notability guidelines. Everything out there is not direct substantial coverage, just mentions. Viewership does not equal notability (otherwise there would be many thousands of articles about random youtube videos). However, I do suspect the coverage is out there and that it will be found notable. The Christian press is a good place to look and a reliable source, in my opinion. But again, the article would have to be about the company, not just a mention that someone is watching their video or an article about a video. Wikidemo (talk) 18:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment -I am trying to add more entries to the Christian media companies category so I thought I'd start with a company that wouldn't be too hard. The problem with most Christian Media companies is that there isn't a lot of outside sources of coverage, but most people that volunteer or work for a church are familiar with the companies as well as a lot of members. If you look at several of the companies that are on that list: Nooma, LifeWay Christian Resources, Big Idea Productions, Salem Web Network they have little to no references other than themselves. I know that Christian Media is a niche, but it's still a fairly large niche that I was hoping to help flesh out further on Wiki. I'm not sure how to add to a category that millions of people are using, but that do not get a lot of general coverage. I appreciate everyone's help so far.--Hodgedup (talk) 20:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Weak keep, for now. I'm going to assume good faith on Hodgedup's part, as I note that s/he is trying to get this article up to snuff. Wikidemo's right, viewership != notability. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 00:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete due to lack of coverage in mainstream media. Stifle (talk) 15:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep per Dennis and Hodgedup. The company is a major player in the churching marketplace, and notability criteria is not really made for niche companies. That's why those are just guidelines.--CastAStone//₵₳$↑₳₴₮ʘ№€ 20:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)