Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beau Long
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Sr13 05:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Beau Long
This subject fails WP:BAND and has COI issues as a probable autobiography. The record label is non-notable, and a top result of a google search on "Statue Records" is a page from Rip-Off Report. Absurdist 03:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Bucketsofg 03:33, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:BAND - doesn't asser notability. Giggy UCP 03:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, it seems this is an autobiography. Evidence here. @pple 04:08, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:BAND. Doesn't seem to assert notability. Bart133 (t) (c) 04:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Hirohisat Talk 06:08, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- Keep There are MANY MANY pages dedicated to such players who don't rival the Clapton like notability but helped shape an era. Statue Records Group does exist (http://www.statuerecords.com/t-about_statue.aspx) and was a former label of the pages subject. 151.213.91.248 14:24, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment. There needs to be non-trivial third-party references from reliable sources that this subject helped "shape an era." Also, I believe Statue Records exist, but don't believe they are a major or notable label.--Absurdist 15:19, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. Should the page be placed under US: guitarists instead? A brief WP search turned up many less qualified guitarists who never released anything and never signed to any label, major or minor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.213.91.248 (talk • contribs)
- Inclusion is not an indicator of notability. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument. Morgan Wick 17:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. Could you indicate some specific articles of less qualified guitarists/musicians? It will not help this debate (see above comment), but I am interested to see if those also qualify for deletion.--Absurdist 21:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- Suggest Delete or at least re-write. I was the original editor who issued a prod on this. I did so because there were no sources to support the article, I didn't find any via a search engine, and it was an autobiography written by a single purpose account. In reference to the above, 151.213.91.248 may be the same user as Beaulong, and the Statue records page shown above links to a page that is mostly empty, presumably an indie label that has not yet "taken off." Community editor 14:43, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - One would think that there would be more coverage of a band that's described as a "staple" of the alt-rock scene in the '90s, as Human Zoo is described in the article. I can't find it. I'm also not finding anything about Beau Long himself. Essentially, reliable sources are unavailable, and without those, any claims of notability are void. If someone sources this, I'll reconsider. Tony Fox (arf!) review? 20:09, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment. Thank you all for your kind explanations. Unfortunately, the magazines, Kerrang and Metal Edge, that Human Zoo were in the most, don't online archive the mid 90's issues and articles that would most definitely contribute to the notoriety of the band. Short of scanning the articles and royalty checks and emailing them to each of you, there is nothing more that I can do at this point. A search of Pigsaw Janet still brings up bits left in cyberspace being it was more current. Would this be more appropriate in the WikiProject Musicians area as Stub-Class on the project's quality scale? Thanks again for your help. Beaulong 03:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
- Whoa! I don't think anyone said reliable sources had to be online. In fact, print sources are inherently more notable than online sources, if cited properly. Morgan Wick 03:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
- Absolutely, if the subject has been covered in those magazines, the articles should be cited. Depending on the depth of coverage, that might satisfy WP:BAND.-- aBSuRDiST -T J C- 04:30, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. How does one go about inclusion of the articles in the page? Do you quote and reference or just mention and reference? Thanks again for your help. This is most enlightening.151.213.91.248 17:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
- Any facts that came from other sources should have a footnote. This is from WP:Cite:
- Comment. Thank you all for your kind explanations. Unfortunately, the magazines, Kerrang and Metal Edge, that Human Zoo were in the most, don't online archive the mid 90's issues and articles that would most definitely contribute to the notoriety of the band. Short of scanning the articles and royalty checks and emailing them to each of you, there is nothing more that I can do at this point. A search of Pigsaw Janet still brings up bits left in cyberspace being it was more current. Would this be more appropriate in the WikiProject Musicians area as Stub-Class on the project's quality scale? Thanks again for your help. Beaulong 03:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
- 1. Place a <ref> ... </ref> where you want a footnote reference number to appear in an article—type the text of the note between the ref tags. EX: <ref>Miller, E: "The Sun", page 23. Academic Press, 2005</ref> 2. Place the <references/> tag in a "Notes" or "References" section near the end of the article—the list of notes will be generated here.
- Just do your best, other editors can help with cleanup if necessary. -- aBSuRDiST -T J C- 23:13, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
