Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beats of Rage

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Neil ╦ 10:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Beats of Rage

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Non-notable homebrew game ~ JohnnyMrNinja _{talk} 20:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

This doesn't seem like such an easy call. "Homebrew" doesn't imply non-notability, and it seems like there is a decent amount of buzz about this game. Is there any particular reason why you only AfD'd this game, and not Rush Rush Rally Racing by the same creator? I'm leaning toward keep or merge with Senile Team. ~ Booya ^Bazooka 21:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I did the google thing too, but I couldn't find any reporting on Beats of Rage from any notable website, just free downloads and the like. I'm sure there are a ton of free games out there that could be listed here, but if they aren't notable, they shouldn't be here. Popularity isn't notability (see Wikipedia:Notability). And I didn't think to check for other Senile Teams games (see WP:Othercrapexists), though the whole group should likely be AfDed. ~ JohnnyMrNinja _{talk} 21:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Keep. It is possibly the most popular homebrew for the Dreamcast. AFAIK, it is notable. Stormwatch 00:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete nn "homebrew" freeware game. Only reliable source seems to be a review in a UK PSP magazine. That ain't enough. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:47, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't mean to pick on this game, but there are so many homebrew games that make their way on to Wikipedia, and they have never (in my experience) been notable. If this game is notable, it shouldn't be a problem to find reliable outside sources. I was not able to. I was going to ask the creator, but they have been banned. If someone can, please reference them here in defense of this game. Otherwise I still completely support it's deletion. ~ JohnnyMrNinja _{talk} 16:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Rush Rush Rally Racing and Senile Team have both been deleted since this discussion was started. ~ JohnnyMrNinja _{talk} 20:25, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Comment They shouldn't have been. >:( - Stormwatch 23:32, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I swear I had nothing to do with it. Someone probably noticed them mentioned above. They were both speedied. ~ JohnnyMrNinja _{talk} 00:13, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I was not accusing, but I had to vent, and still have. It sure is frustrating when you carefully gather information and craft a nice article, then someone comes and erases it, saying it's not notable, when you know it is.

Here is something to consider. Just do a search for "Beats of Rage" in Google. Sure, that is no laboratory-tested, peer-reviewed scientific evidence. But it has to mean something when a homebrew Dreamcast title gets more Google results (155,000) than any later commercial release for the same system. Here are the results I got: Border Down, 103,000; Under Defeat 89,000; Karous, 71,300; Radilgy, 52,000; Psyvariar 2, 39.100.

Senile Team has only released one game thus far, but it has become very popular and gave them a solid reputation. Taking these facts in account, in my opinion, regarding them as not notable is plain ignorance. - Stormwatch 01:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

How many of those hits are downloads or links to downloads? How many of the other games are available for free download? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 02:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

A huge chunk of them, I'm sure. But this actually does not detract from my point. Consider that a fairer comparison would be with other Dreamcast homebrews (I'm not familiar with the "scenes" of other consoles). Some well-known titles: Feet of Fury, 14,900; Maqiupai, 2,680; Giana's Return, 1,790; Cool Herders, 740. Nothing comes even close. For a homebrew, Beats of Rage is incredily popular. Stormwatch 04:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Strong delete One single reference is quoted in the article. WP:NOTE requires "significant coverage". --Malcolmxl5 01:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and all above. No notion of notability (WP:N). Giggy _U^CP 08:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

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