Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/7Seas

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Maxim(talk) 14:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 7Seas

7Seas (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)
  • Delete fails WP:N, third party reliable source proving notability is lacking. Google search gives only 10 hits [1]. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep Otolemur has failed to show how it fails WP:N. The evidence and reasoning provided by Otolemur is a paltry one google search string, based on a narrow search terminology that doesn't even take into consideration how the group in question is actually spelt. Searching for the terms like - 7seas terrorism - brings hundreds of hits. The article meets notability and links to articles from the Seattle Times, CBC canada, CQ Homeland security magazine, and the wave magazine. One of the members, Shannen Rossmiller, has hundreds of articles also, and has been mentioned widely in the news. The article certainly meets notability, but definitely needs clean up. --Evud (talk) 02:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Shannen Rossmiller. There's nothing out there that mentions the group in any other context but a profile or interview of her. --Dhartung | Talk 21:57, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Googling shows that the name shown gives far more hits to an Indian game development company; using the full name produces only three hits that don't trace back to us. Also need to delete Phoenix Global Intelligence Systems, the successor organization, which gives only three pages of hits, all but two or so being directory listings. Mangoe (talk) 04:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Move, replace with disambig Checking shows that there are many real sources using "7-Seas Global Intelligence Group", which should be real name of article. Googling for "7seas" produces a huge range of hits including especially a prob. notable Indian game development company. Mangoe (talk) 04:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
  • No idea actually what to do. It looks like a non notable organization, so my first idea would be to delete. But the problem lies in the different names of the organization, making it harder to judge it accurately. If kept, merge with Phoenix Global Intelligence Systems which is almost completely the same article, and is about the (current name of) the same subject (and which gets a not so impressive 2 Google News hits[2], where only the first one could be considered "in-depth"). Fram (talk) 13:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 00:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Don't feel guilty about deleting becasue none of the mergers really work. Phoenix Global Intelligence Systems is a new group and Shannen Rossmiller used to part of the group. The group - on its own - apparently fails WP:ORG and I even suspect that this group has disbanded. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 00:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete: Amateur terrorism experts = amateurs. We need to see some significance to this group, some testimonial given by the world it has affected, some measure that people are going about, reading references to "7seas" and needing to go to Wikipedia to find out what it is. Wikipedia is not a business listing, not a testimonial to everything that exists, and not an advocacy forum. It cannot legitimate or diminish anything. It is an encyclopedia that chooses to explain the world to the world by contextualizing elements that have had a clear effect. Utgard Loki (talk) 15:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.