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[edit] American citizenship??
Why is Ginobilli appearing in the article of [1]?, and on his page profile there is nothing about his american citizenship. I deleted Ginobilli's information from this article (~~Frank~~).
I also deleted basketball players oberto, nocioni and herrmann, since neither of them are americans, but simply argentines playing in nba teams.-
Argentina only was a proper spanish's colonial since the 1776 till the polititical independe in 1810, and even then it was a melting pot of Italian, Spanish and French according to the historians. In fact just look at the names in the first govermment to see the italians Castelli, Berutti, etc. The immigration didn't star in 1880. The first wave was made of Swiss, Irish and Nother Italians in around 1850!!!.
Mostly to Buenos Aires??? what?? The 1914 census count the a similar percentage of immigrants not just in Buenos Aires but in Cordoba and Rosario (the three more populated cities in the country) and these cities have the 70% of the national population. Besides there are lot of cities even funded by italians in the South and populated by Nothern italians besides of swiss and germans like the largest city in Southern Argentina, Bariloche.
you can see similar influence of spanish as italians in names in all the three most populated cities in the country.
All the articles estimated the numbers of italians in Argentina in 18 million (check out the italian people article), which is half of the population. And the official site of the Italian embassy said that OVER half of the Argentine population have right to the Italian citizenship "ius sanguinis". In fact I would said that we have more italian culture than spanish (but that would be just my personal experience and I've just lived in Rosario, Buenos Aires and Bariloche, tho that mean much in the percentage of country's population) but let's speak about numbers and facts.
about the native population, if it growht, we'll know in the next census, the entire population obviously has increased (obviously) but probably their percentage is the same, and again the foreign population is foreign, they are not Argentinian and if they go to anoother country they would be Bolivian, Paraguayan or Peruvian.
As for the native populatin even if it has increased in the next census, all the population will have increased hence tehy would be still around 0,8% of the population that's like less than the US native population(2,5%), and less that the Jewish population (around 2-3%). It would as much as the Asian Argentine population.
""there were only spaniards for the first 200 years during the colonial period.."""
Actually Spanish were the least numerous european group in 1810!! (when anyway, Argentinian population was scarse).
En 1810 comienza la independencia de España. Los extranjeros ya forman parte importante en la Argentina. A principios del Gobierno de Rosas en Buenos Aires había 70.000 personas: 8.000 ingleses, 6.000 italianos y 4.000 españoles y portugueses. Es decir, la tercera parte no había nacido en Argentina.
In 1810, there were in Buenos Aires around 70.000 persons, a third of them foreign-born, 8000 British, 6000 Italians and 4000 Spanish.
www.nuevoorden.net
Most common Argentine surnames.
Rank Surname
1. Fernandez
2. Rodriguez
3. Gonzalez
4. Garcia
5. Lopez
6. Martinez
7. Perez
8. Alvarez
9. Gomez
10. Sanchez
11. Diaz
12. Vazquez
13. Castro
14. Romero
15. Suarez
16. Blanco
17. Ruiz
18. Alonso
19. Torres
20. Dominguez
Not one, Italian surname....expain?..I know this will include the native americans too..but if there are so many italians...and i know they did immigrate there...then why are there surnames scarse...atleast within the first 20..and the list goes on..to 100...which
Italian last names have a wider diversity than Spanish last names. That's why maybe there are more people with the same Spanish last name than the same Italian one. Plus, in this article it refers to Nocioni and Oberto as Argentine Americans, when they only play basketball in the US and do not have the american citizenship. 24.232.128.220 05:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)Constanza
Surnames don't exaplin anything, spanish are few, that's why they are more numerous Italians are more s simple as that, and practically evryone i Argentina even with Spanish surnames have italian grandparents too. how do you explain that 18 million of Argentinian are of mainly Italian descnet then?
Beside culture means more than surnames lol
the explanation is quite simple if you take the several italian surnames and the spanish which are few even when in Argentina come directly from spain not like in many L. American countries you have that some spnish are more common. But in real life you see almost half and half (with other surnames too).
You have the nu,bers half of the population is of italian descendent or part italian, part spanish. surnames are subjective, you can be just 1/8 spanish and 7/8 italian and have an spanish surname.
Did you understand Italian?:
""Alla formazione del popolo argentino hanno contribuito soprattutto gli italiani (35%), gli spagnoli (24%), in misura minore tedeschi, francesi, slavi, ecc. Oggi si calcola che il 50% della popolazione argentina abbia anche la cittadinanza italiana o i requisiti per richiederla per ius sanguinis. Lo spagnolo correntemente parlato in Argentina, specie a Buenos Aires (dove si parla un dialetto chiamato porteño), ha subito influenze dall'italiano.""
The following list shows the surnames distribution. It was built based on a sample of 1.247.328 records. Within this sample there are 121.645 different surnames. The ratios were calculated with this value. These records belong to a voter list of year 2001. Most of the surnames have Italian and Spanish origin. You will find also jewish surnames, polish surnames, portuguese surnames, russian surnames and irish surnames. Immigration was a very important fact in population formation. In the twenties, about a half of Buenos Aires population were foreign people. This fact contributed to the surname diversity of the city. While in the neighbor countries people use two surnames, in Argentina this is not necessary.
http://www.cosas-de-argentina.com.ar/
[edit] History of Latinos and Hispanics
Please consider contributing to the article entitled History of Latinos and Hispanics. Thank you! --JuanMuslim 1m 02:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
mmm There are some history of latinos, latino is a stupid make up term used mostly in the US, every country in America has his own history really, and Argentinian history is as different from the Mexican or Dominican history as the American history is from this coutries. There are SOME similarities between certain American countries like Mexico and other Central American countries, Argentina and Uruguay or Canada and th US. But a common history or culture???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.232.25.24 (talk) 08:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Lalo Schifrin
Shouldn't he be listed as an argetine american? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.116.230.221 (talk) 18:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
