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Random Praise

I just slipped into your pages by random search for a missing flag, and saw that you make marvelous art! (And also accurate for the purpose as far as I can tell). Keep on painting and creating. User:Rursus 08:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you--Mr Fink 13:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Opabinia

I suppose "enigmatic" is not more encyclopedic than "curious". Perhaps we can agree on "extraordinary"? Subversive 21:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. It's one of my favorite Burgess Shale beasties.--Mr Fink 22:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I was trying a humorous approach. Maybe you can point out in the article, how the Opabinia is extraordinary. Inserting adjectives based on personal opinion is generally not a good idea on Wikipedia. Subversive 22:41, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I understand now.--Mr Fink 01:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
"Highly ununsual" is definitely better, in my opinion. Not kidding this time. Subversive 00:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
So it has been written, so shall it stay. (for now)--Mr Fink 02:45, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Trachipterus trachypterus

Hello Apokryltaros, Noticed you added Category:Lampriformes when the species was already in its Family Category:Trachipteridae. This is not necessary, & leads to over categorisation - if a species is in its Family category it is automatically included in the Order category. Keep up the great artwork! Cheers GrahamBould 09:04, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I did not know that...--Mr Fink 17:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Good work!

I've just seen some of the drawings of extinct animals you've made. They're very good en beautiful and I've put some of them on Wiki-Commons ([1]) so I can use them on the Dutch Wikipedia as well. Is it possible to upload your new drawings in the future on Commons so other Wikipedia's can use them as well? Rique [2]

I'd be honored to have my stuff on Dutch Wikipedia, too.--Mr Fink 20:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Posting drawings/pictures on Commons is the same as posting on En-Wiki: first login (OK, you have to have an account, but creating one is easy: just as you create an account on Wiki, you can use the same name as on En-Wiki) and then choose "upload", upload your file and add a category (for your pictures Category:Extinct animals or one of its subcategories). Rique [3]
I'll get on it when I get home (where the copies are) tonight, and thanks muchly!--Mr Fink 18:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Thylacosmilus atrox.jpg and other pics

Good stuff! =) Your art is a valuable contribution to the wiki. I'm going to link some of it upwards in the taxonomic tree. For instance, Image:Thylacosmilus atrox.jpg is going to represent Sparassodonta, which currently has no picture. Thanks for your work! — coelacan talk — 05:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Drawings

I really love your drawings, and I admire your dedication to Wikipedia. Jack Cain 11:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!--Mr Fink 16:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Mamo

That is a very specific fact that is not included in the reference I gave. Can you add your reference please? -- House of Scandal 14:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

It was from the book "A Gap In Nature": I'll look at it again when I get home.--Mr Fink 16:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Well done! Thanks. House of Scandal 06:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

It's a magnificent, but depressing book.--Mr Fink 13:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Strigogyps sapea

Hi, I saw the new image. That's more like it, thanks for updating! I am presently gather some literature on the sophiornithids and will expand the article in due time (early next year I'd say) Dysmorodrepanis 06:05, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Good, then.--Mr Fink 06:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I like the background; I have checked out some Messel data and the date is (very) roughly 40 million years ago, the site is some brackish subtropical swampland, not unlike Fossil Lake.
As regards color pattern, it seems most likely that S. sapea was brownish/greyish with some hawk-like patterning (or owl-like, or Callocephalon-like even...), it's fairly generalized and primitive in these critters. The owl part was possibly not unlike Ninox hawk-owls morphologically... primitive owls came in 2 types, one more similar to Ninox and the other to Strix among modern owls. These two are of course derived tree-birds, while our guy here was more like a (mangrove?) swamp secretary-bird; in any case, a generally Ninox-like morphology seems plesiomorph in the early owls. Dysmorodrepanis 20:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Concerning Gobiatherium

Yes you can upload a new image and mix the profile of the beast with Uintatherium. That image is old. I can draw better now. Giant Blue Anteater 05:17, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't have any ideas. What do you mean by that? Giant Blue Anteater 05:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Good work!

Thank you for sharing your artistic talent with the 'pedia! Your prehistorics are lovely. jengod 06:12, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!--Mr Fink 06:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Raspor

Hi! Just for the record, I think that you're spending too much effort on Raspor. Whether he knows it or not, the objections that he is raising is only intellectual flailing in the face of immense evidence to the contrary. He (apparently) is advocating finding "God in the Gaps", and as the gaps shrink and shrink, the advocates grow louder and louder, and less and less logical in their objections. His objections are almost exclusively without merit or substance, and spending time refuting each of his points is (in my opinion) letting him dictate your actions. Not saying you should act otherwise, just food for thought. See you around! --HassourZain 20:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmmm....--Mr Fink 20:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Like I said, I'm not trying to dictate what you should do, but Raspor does appear to be an inexperienced editor who is unwilling to listen to advice or comments from the community, as evidenced by the Request for Comment currently open against him, so your time may be wasted trying to bring him to reason. --HassourZain 20:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I think you're right. I'll let you handle him, you're more experienced in handling that bubblehead.--Mr Fink 20:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
As you can tell from his talk page, I've been putting a lot of work into helping him understand the right way to engage other users civilly and to make neutral edits. If there's anything else that you feel I could add to help him understand either some of the tenets of the scientific method, evolutionary biology, or Wikipedia policy, just let me know. Thank you! --HassourZain 17:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I'll let you know when I think of something helpful.--Mr Fink 19:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

his image of the Pterygotus buffaloensis

Please, load his image of the Pterygotus buffaloensis in the wikimedia commons. I was blockaded there because of ignoring notices, when it loads the image there, warn about me

Greetings Maurício Knevitz 18:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Koolasuchus

Would you be able to draw a koolasuchus???? It is found what it gets, draw one and load the image in the wikicommons. I liked his drawing of the Pterygotus

Tanks Maurício Knevitz 16:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Yessir.--Mr Fink 17:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Praecambridium etc

Nothing on the other two, I'm afraid, but have been 'studying' Praecambridium recently! Alas, my study was limited to a cursorary glance at a couple of new specimens, which were whisked away before I could have a detailed look. Was there anything in particular you were wanting to know? I'm not sure there's too much to be said for them at the moment, but could easily find out more if you wished!

Verisimilus 17:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I see; I'll find out what I can, but most of these creatures have very little factual written about them! Opinions seem to abound but as there are, surprisingly, only six 'expert' scientists working on this field it may be a long wait before anything more concrete emerges!

Verisimilus 17:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Prehistoric Animal Pictures

Like everyone on your talk page, I'm a huge fan of the prehistoric animal pictures that you've drawn! I'm particularly interested in prehistoric and Holocene hippos and would like to improve a number of their articles. I wondered if you had a secret stash of sources that you used to help learn the visual details. If you know of any good sources that could help me improve Wikipedia's coverage of the hippopotamus fossil record, I would greatly appreciate the guidance. Thanks! --JayHenry 05:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the recommendations. I'm in the process of acquiring those books. Wanted to ask your thoughts on a categorization issue. I think we should have a category for extinct hippos and that it should be a subcategory of category:hippos. But I'm wondering if the category should be "Category:extinct hippos" or "Category:prehistoric hippos"? Some of the hippos became extinct in recent times, so I'm not sure if "prehistoric" is accurate. But I've looked at some other animal categories and noticed that they use the term "prehistoric" even for more recent extinctions -- like the European Lion which became extinct during the early centuries AD. There's also the category, Category:Prehistoric artiodactyls so maybe we should reflect that usage? I don't know if you even care, but figured I'd ask for your thoughts. --JayHenry 19:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Let's go with "Category:Extinct hippos" and have it as a subcategory of Prehistoric artiodactyls and Hippos. You think we should shuffle the Anthracotheres into it, too?--Mr Fink 19:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, it's created, voila! Category:Extinct hippos. I don't know enough about Anthracotheres to know whether or not they can be called hippos. Has anyone else called them "prehistoric hippos" or "extinct hippos"? If not, I don't really think we should be the first. But. if we have sources that consider them ancient hippos I think it's fine as long as we clearly state at the top of the category that it includes members of both Hippopotamidae and Anthracotheriidae. --JayHenry 21:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The anthracotheres aren't hippos per se, but they are regarded as the immediate ancestors of the hippos. Maybe we should ask around for more opinions about that, then?--Mr Fink 22:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Immediate ancestors or closest historical relatives or both? I guess we should ask around, although I don't know where to ask. Is there an extinct animal wikiproject? --JayHenry 22:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
While doing some additional reading, I discovered that anthracotheres and hippopotamidae are sometimes grouped together in a superfamily called "Hippopotamoidea." The reference is a somewhat older taxonomy book, and from a google search the superfamily does not appear to be widespread -- so possibly it's been debunked? But, for the category, we could possibly just state, with or without referencing "hippopotamoidea" that the two families are sometimes grouped together? --JayHenry 19:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Kurtis Levenham (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log)

I noticed that you just reverted a link from this user. I also reverted linked by this user, and theres now a discussion going on his talk page and User talk:Nwwaew about this, if you're interested. Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 23:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Your comment regarding the evolution of the horse article

I simply edited the link because it pointed to a non existance article.

Those links are there because we intend to make articles for them in the future. Furthermore, you were also un-italicizing the scientific names, as well.--Mr Fink 22:35, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that. By the way, how to italicize scientific names. 86.138.116.117 09:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Recommendation Concerning the Uintatheres

My opinion is that we should not merge those two articles (yet). That's because the Gobiatheriidae are sometimes treated as a seperate family instead of a subfamily, and the general opinion on that matter could easily change any moment. What's your opinion on this matter? DaMatriX 15:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm yes you're right, Gobiatherium is indeed the sole genus in the Gobiatherrinae......I didn't realise that. In that case, merging Uintatheriidae with Dinocerata is fine to me. DaMatriX 16:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The honors are yours! Off-topic: I see you're an artist, specialised in extinct animals. I know palaeos.com, it's a great site. But do you also draw on request? I know quite some articles on extinct animals that could use some pics! DaMatriX 17:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Picture request

Well, actualy I would like some pictures for two little known genera of primitive Carnivora: the proto-bear Hemicyon and the early pinniped Enaliarctos. I know they're not Paleozoic animals, but if you manage to draw them and share your work on wikipedia, you will receive my eternal appreciation in return! ;) DaMatriX 20:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll put them on my list, then.--Mr Fink 20:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you! I'm looking forward to the result! DaMatriX 20:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Random Smiley Award

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Ediacaran Biota

Hi (and happy Easter!) I'm currently in the process of re-writing the page on Ediacaran biota, and was wondering whether you could provide some of your fabled artwork to spice up my offering a little? Particularly appreciated would be 'reconstructions' of each of the three sub-assemblages (Ediacara-type, Nama-type and Avalon-type) for that section - I've uploaded a link to a (copyrighted) picture sketching and detailing the characteristic species here if you'd be interested.

Cheers!

Verisimilus 14:32, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Excellent - many thanks!!
Verisimilus 15:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I've posted the original paper on Vendoconularia which should contain a little information, and a revision - hopefully that'll be enough to get you started. If not I'll go about digging more out, let me know! M
Verisimilus 17:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow

Hi, FAAA man I can't believe you did all these drawings there frigen awseome chico, A fuego! Man I'd love to do something like this to contribute to wikipedia (PS. I hate the copyright crap on the images it's so annoying!) but I just havn't got the time at the moment. So I'm glad there is someone as dedicated and talented as you to help bypass these image permission restrictions. Thanks heaps for all these helpful drawings, and I think that I can say aswell as my self, on behalf of the wikipedia community that it is very much appreciated


I couldn't be more impressed

As this message says, I could not be more impressed with your work on those prehistoric animal images, so keep up the good work! --KnowledgeLord 06:20, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


Marywadea

I've had a good look but haven't been able to turn anything up, I'm afraid. By the sounds of it, it will be difficult to distinguish from Spriggina, which has a photo on its page.

Unless: It is figured on plate four of this article, which I don't have easy access to myself; maybe you can get hold of it? The only other place I could suggest looking is in Mark McMenamin's "Garden of Ediacara"; it's mentioned in chapters 11 & 12 but I'm not sure if it's figured.
Gehling, J.G. (1991). "The case for Ediacaran fossil roots to the metazoan tree". Mem. Geol. Soc. India 20: 181-224. 
Also try Ivantsov, A.Y. (2007). "Small Vendian transversely Articulated fossils". Paleontological Journal 41 (2): 113-122. , to which I've no access.

Verisimilus T 11:14, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I didn't know if you might have access to real-world copies somewhere. If this link doesn't work I can e-mail you the PDF, drop me an e-mail. Verisimilus T 12:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Top notch. I look forward to seeing the results! Verisimilus T 14:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Other papers

Would you mind if I e-mailed you the papers? I'm almost out of filespace on my server! There's an 'email this user' link on my user page you can use if you want to avoid giving your address out publicly. Verisimilus T 15:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

AIV reports

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Love your pictures

Keep making them, I really like the style, good job.


Edrioasters on Trilobites

Afraid I've never come across them - sorry!

Good luck - sorry not to be of more help! Verisimilus T 21:33, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!!

Thanks for doing Giant Hoopoe!! Its beautiful! :) --HoopoeBaijiKite 02:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

It was my pleasure.--Mr Fink 02:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Horned gopher

I moved your request for an uncontested move out of that area, and to contested moves. I don't contest the move, but for animal article titles please read Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of life. Then discuss the proposed move on the article's talk page and request the move only if you reach consensus there. Thanks. KP Botany 19:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, then.--Mr Fink 20:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
PS In spite of the fact that you are correct that it is unencyclopediac and will ultimately make for untold difficulties. KP Botany 20:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Understood. Such is the price we pay for an efficient bureaucracy. We should just be thankful that they don't set fire to the hoops we jump through, yet.--Mr Fink 20:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Ahhggg! I've hidden the damage, but please, don't go giving folks ideas. KP Botany 20:11, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
The virtual papercuts are bad enough.--Mr Fink 20:13, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Hippopotamus

Hey Apokryltaros! I have submitted the article on hippopotamus for featured article consideration at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hippopotamus and just wanted to let you know that I used several of your excellent images! If you have any suggestions for improving the article, please let me know! --JayHenry 07:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thats not me...

Hi mate, am just back from a break form editing, and that wiki evo, is not my account, I don't know who it belongs to. --Street Scholar 17:57, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you: I'll go deal with the impersonator, then.--Mr Fink 19:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Edits to cannibalism (zoology)

I noticed you added some material without providing any sources. [4]

Could you please add a citation? If you don't do this, someone else is going to have to at some point, so it's better just to cite your sources whenever adding material. Thanks, Richard001 07:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC).

Barnstar award

The Barnstar of Life
In overdue appreciation of his illustrations of extinct or prehistoric animals. Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Commons

Can you add a links to your userpage and talkpage on Commons, please? Please put links at Commons:User:Apokryltaros and/or Commons:User talk:Apokryltaros to enwik as well. You can link from Commons to enwiki with [[:en:User:Apokryltaros]]. Thanks for contributing to Commons. As an administrator there, I'm happy to see that! Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 17:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC) (Commons:User:Wsiegmund)

Is there any way of transferring the pictures I've uploaded in (English) Wikipedia over to WikiCommons, or do I need to upload the same files over in WikiCommons, too? I've been dragging my feet about that, as I have a lot of files to transfer.--Mr Fink 21:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
One of the tools at Commons:Commons:Tools, especially Commons Helper, Push for commons, and Commonist, may be helpful. I haven't used any of these. I have used Python Wikipedia Bot (described on the tools page, too) to re-categorize gallery pages, but I haven't used it for this task. Another possibly useful page is the Commons:Commons:File_upload_service. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 01:50, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Prehistoric art

I see we share an intrest in illustrating the prehistoric creatures articles; it seems to me that some collaboration may be in order. Hallucigenia is my first, and I think that my next will be opabinia, even though that one already has an illustration. I was thinking a close up of some of the structures, especially the head, would be good. (sort of how the audobon pictures are set up with both the bird in action and the closeups) Are there any others in need of further illustration?

On a more frivolous note, have you ever had feeling that a picture is staring back at you when you get it right? I had that last night, had the hallucigenia on a black backround for contrast and had to change it because it had the whole "stepping out from the mists of time" thing going on. Knew it was time to take a break then. The name really makes sense know, that thing freaked me out for a few minutes, lol.

Sorry to leave such a long message on you talk page, but feel free to leave one on mine.--Scorpion451 rant 17:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Let me think about it...--Mr Fink 20:16, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

You asked?

As per your question, no, Sid is much but much too small to be a Megatherium (Sid's the size of an upright pig!) and thus the only creature that he can possibly be with his size is a Synocnus. --KnowledgeLord 00:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Still, unless the staff of Ice Age say so, wouldn't this be, technically, Original Research?--Mr Fink 02:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
It may be, but it is still the most likely explanation, for Sid's species was never revealed! They just call him "sloth", not "megatherium" in the canon information that is given. So there you have it. And even so, I'd sent the film-makers a letter asking them, but they have not even bothered with a reply!

--KnowledgeLord 05:32, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Praise and a suggestion

Hey! Your artwork's awesome. Keep up the good work:) By the way, I was wondering if you could (perhaps) create an image of a Rugoconites. It is often listed as merely a medusae (jellyfish) from the Ediacaran, but I remember seeing an image of it in Stephen Jay Gould's book "Wonderful Life" and it didn't look like anything of the sort. It was basically circular (like Tribrachidium) but it had dinstinctive veins a little like Albumares. It also had some sort of segment on its body that made appear bilaterally symmetrical. I have never found an illustration of it on the internet and have only been able to find 1 or 2 low-res images of the fossil itself. The image is below.

Image:Rugoconites.JPG

Have fun! --Thunderclees 9:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

(P.s. If the above image is wrong, I'm sorry. I just haven't been able to find another image to compare it to.)

original research images

Please don't make your own images for extinct animals. This is considered original research, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. Find an existing image that is free for Wikipedia to use and upload it to Commons so that it can be used by all language Wikipedias. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I consider it extremely hypocritical that I be singled out to be disallowed from posting reconstructions of prehistoric animals when so many other people are allowed to do so, AND that many people have asked me to post more reconstructions. Furthermore, I have not found any rule in Wikipedia that specifically forbids the posting self-made reconstructions of prehistoric animals if they are intended to represent prehistoric animals.--Mr Fink 17:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Acording to the wiki policy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:OR#Original_images self made pictures are alowed as they are classed as based on researched material. Enlil Ninlil 05:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Then why am I being forbidden from posting them?--Mr Fink 11:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
You are not forbiden untill a proper assessment off your work is undertaken. From the information provided I see you work to be somewhat scientifically correct. Also your famous http://www.palaeos.org/Devonian Enlil Ninlil 04:49, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh my gosh! Definitely don't stop with your images! I used them in working to get Hippopotamus and Pygmy Hippopotamus labeled as Featured Articles and nobody objected at all! Maybe UtherSRG was unfamiliar with your work and thought you just read the Wiki article and drew based off that? I guess if you have the sources handy for your drawings it might be worthwhile to put them on the Image page? Details about Hippopotamus gorgops comes from "Evolving Eden," and "Mammoths, Sabertooths and Hominids." Something like that? I don't know if that's the best approach but it might prevent a misunderstanding like this from happening in the future. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. --JayHenry 07:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Planned New Version of the T. Carnifex Image

For my money the best things to base it on would be either [5] which is a model built by people with access to a reconstructed skeleton, or [6] which I believe is based on a more recently discovered full intact skeleton. I think that the biggest flaw in the current image is the awkward visual foreshortening due to the chosen pose. To illustrate a story, the more drama the better, but to illustrate the features of an animal the dramatic parts should be chosen to expose particular features. Karora 11:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Evowiki

Hi - Bunnyform from EvoWiki here, I still can't send you a private message. But would you please be careful who you block - you blocked 129.215.146.60, which was just me editing from work (when I'd forgotten my password). Oh, and you need to revert yourself on Pectoral girdle :-)

I worry about all the protected pages on Evo - it can't be making things that attractive to potential new users... Evercat 11:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I want

I want to thank you, Apokryltaros. Your drawings here are the best and illustrate (forgive the pun!) the points here perfectly.--KnowledgeLord 18:38, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

creodonta

Thanks for your help with the lead. I'm no expert and am mostly trying to make leads better, in line with guidelines. I need the help of people who really know what they're talking about. Leadwind 03:53, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:3RR

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Deinogalerix. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Cheers, Lights (♣ • ♦) 18:10, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

For you

For Good Works on Prehistoric Images Presented by SilkTork
For Good Works on Prehistoric Images
Presented by SilkTork

Your drawings have illuminated and enriched Wikipedia and been widely appreciated and acclaimed - even helping two articles to achieve Featured Article status. Awesome. And you have been so calm and level headed during the recent conflict. Well done. You truly deserve this award. You are an exceptional contributor! SilkTork *SilkyTalk 19:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Protection on EvoWiki

I want to talk to you again about protection on EvoWiki. It seems to me there are way too many protected pages, and this is bound to be discouraging to new users (I still can't leave you a message on your talk page there, for instance). The "Wiki way" - if I can call it that - relies on mass participation.

I realise there's vandalism to deal with, but as far as I can tell, much of this vandalism is randomly targetted, so there's no point protecting pages that have been hit by it, unless you want to protect everything.

To be honest, the vandalism there is relatively light, in terms of difficulty to revert. There's usually only a few anon-IPs vandalising a day. Occasionally you get some mass spree of vandalism from a single source, but this is usually trivial for a sysop to revert via the contributions page. I speak with some experience. :-)

Bunnyform / Evercat 01:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Promerycochoerus

Thanks for catching that. Too many oreodonts with practically the same name. --Helioseus 02:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

In some cases, they have the same name...--Mr Fink 02:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Synonyms are back in there. When there are more genera with pages, they should probably just be put on the generic pages, but for now its a useful place to store it all. Ugh.. such a mess. --Helioseus 02:37, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism page

Also, why don't you discuss this more at Evowiki's Vandalism page

You mean: http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/EvoWiki_talk:Vandalism ? It's protected! :-) Evercat 02:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm registered, but whatever the criteria are for editing semi-protected pages, my account there doesn't currently meet them. Evercat 02:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I can now edit that page. I wonder what the precise criteria are though for editing semi-protected pages, and whether the system is working correctly? Evercat 03:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you mentioned this problem to Joe or Steinsky?

No - maybe you could pass it along... Evercat 01:04, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Edit comments

I can understand the frustration with vandals, but "rvt moron" is probably not a useful edit comment. DreamGuy 14:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

OK?

Everything still OK? No more problems with UtherSRG? I've moved your awards to your user page so people can see at a glance that you are a recognised and appreciated user. Let me know if you have any problems with anything. Regards SilkTork *SilkyTalk 18:36, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


Category madness

Oops. I was just about to write that I thought it would be useful to have a Cretaceous category of some form for people using categories to browse, but then I read your message more carefully. Yeah, it's redundant. J. Spencer (talk) 18:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed them. J. Spencer (talk) 18:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Shielia tiati

It was discovered in Scotland (named after Shiel Burn) by Marss, I think it's also been found in Estonia. It is late Silurian, but its range is poorly determined. The samples I got my scales from were in rocks previously believed (by some) to be Lochkovian (earliest Devonian) but I suspect their age needs adjusting upwards.

Verisimilus T 15:44, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Independent Article

I believe your picture of Brontoscorpio anglicus was used in an article in today's Independent. I saw it earlier and I'll try and buy one on the way home from work... dunno if it was attributed properly... Evercat (talk) 20:04, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it is the same picture and with no attribution as far as I can tell. I've sent you a link via private email. Evercat (talk) 21:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

How aggravating, yet titillating.--Mr Fink (talk) 22:06, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Well...

Ok, I didn't know. I looked at them in one french book of mine of Michel Cuisin "La Vie Secrete des Betes. La Preistoire". It's written that the Arsinotherium is far relative of the rhino, because it has large horns. And the uinthaterium looked totally like prehistoric rhino, so that's why I put them in the respective category. I didn't know their exact genetic relation, I just did it because I thought they looked like rhinos.

Regards:Painbearer (talk) 17:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Regarding a recent AIV report

Thank you for making a report on Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Reporting and removing vandalism is vital to the functioning of Wikipedia and all users are encouraged to revert, warn, and report vandalism. However, administrators are generally only able to block users if they have received a recent final warning (one that mentions that the user may be blocked) and they have recently vandalized after that warning was given. The reported user has not yet been blocked because it appears this has not occurred yet. If this user continues to vandalize even after their final warning, please report them to the AIV noticeboard again. Thank you! JetLover (talk) (Report a mistake) 03:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I blocked Cherry anyway. But in cases like this, it doesn't hurt to drop a {{subst:uw-v4im}} on their talk page prior to reporting them. Cheers! -- Flyguy649 talk 03:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
I understand: it's just that this vandal was apparently quite productive.--Mr Fink (talk) 03:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Back in the day before I was an Admin, I'd occasionally report unwarned vandals and try to be really clear that they are on a spree. I think Apokryltaros did mention it, but diffs help. Anyway, uw-v4im is your friend. And admin rollback undoes all the damage much quicker than trying to undo each revision manually! -- Flyguy649 talk 03:12, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. Thanks for the advice.--Mr Fink (talk) 03:13, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: request for some help

I'd be glad to look at those articles. You should also ask arround at wikiproject mammals.Ryan shell (talk) 15:27, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi there

Yo. I'm Bumbeak. I'm a big fan of your art and share your prehistoric interest. I'm here because I received a message from you telling me to stop vandalizing a certain page that I never even attempted to edit. In addition, you referred to a certain page that, even though I was going to see, never opened (I've got a list of animals I'm doing a project on.)

While I was taking notes on Hallucigenia, you messaged the following to my IP (I wasn't logged in at the time):

"Please stop. If you are trying to vandalize this page like you did to (different page), you will be locked out of editing."

Maybe it's an error? I do know my brother was reading that particular page yesterday on a networked computer... Anyway, nice to meet you. Nice art too! Bumbeak (talk) 22:33, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Edrioasteroidea

Hello, Apokryltaros. I have just erased "paleontology-stub" because there is no template for that. See you!--Fiquei (talk) 08:40, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Broken redirect

A tag has been (or will shortly be) placed on Weejasperaspidae, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect to a nonexistent page.

If you can fix this redirect to point to an existing Wikipedia page, please do so and remove the speedy deletion tag. However, please do not remove the speedy deletion tag unless you also fix the redirect. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Russ (talk) 11:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Link fixed.--Mr Fink (talk) 15:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


"Your artwork, beautiful it is!" -Yoda

The Fauna Barnstar
Your artwork has made Wikipedia's paleontology articles much prettier than they would otherwise be. Thank you for your amazing work and tireless efforts.:D Abyssal leviathin (talk) 02:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Mammuthus

Hello Apokryltaros, I am Asier. Ofcourse I want people help to improve the article. But in this article people are making changes wihout any Idea about proboscideans like the user Amaltheus. Adding things like the mammoth is an hoax, that there isn´t exist the species... and removing things without any approach. Is very easy to make changes but before think a little... I´ve been weeks woriking on it (consulting to amateur and very inmportant paleontologis like Adrian Lister, expert in mammoths)You can just ask me in the aritcle disccusion before making changes.

So if you don´t have ANY information or idea about this mammoth how can you make changes?? I can´t undertand this.


Please tell me, what information do you want to be refered?

(Asier) 18:38, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't the one who suspected it of being a hoax: I just want to see more scholarly information about it, descriptions of it, references of measurements, what its lifestyle was like, distinguishing characteristics, stuff like that. I've tried looking on Scholar.Google, and have found very little information (lifestyle or descriptions) about it. And most of the scholarly information I did find was on a Chinese pay-per-access site.--Mr Fink (talk) 18:28, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Gawp Block Problem

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Autoblock of 71.107.7.252 altered Anon. Only.

Request handled by: Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 06:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

This blocked user (block log | autoblocks | rangeblocks | unblock | contribs | deleted contribs) has asked to be unblocked, but an administrator has reviewed and declined this request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock request while you are blocked.

Request reason: "My IP was apparently used by a vandal called "Gawp" and now I can not edit in Wikipedia"

Decline reason: "You were auto-blocked and not directly blocked. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 06:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)"

Please make any further unblock requests by using the {{unblock}} template. However, abuse of the template may result in your talk page being protected.

Blocking admin notified ... Yamla hard blocked several ranges and apparently, there's some serious abuse going on. I want to make sure with Yamla that there isn't an overriding concern preventing the blocks from being changed to soft blocks. Is this IP a hot spot or a public proxy? If so, you may need to edit from home until it is taken care of - public proxies are frequently abused. --B (talk) 06:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm editing from home, actually.--Mr Fink (talk) 06:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I can't undo the block because of the rangeblock, and unfortunately I don't know how to do rangeblocks to reblock it anon-only ACB. However, I can confirm that there is severe abuse going on here by User:Grawp; he's been stalking Gavin.collins (talk · contribs). -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 06:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I tried and fixed the block; you should be unblocked now. -Jéské (Blah v^_^v) 06:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Apokryltaros, my apologies that you got caught up in a block targeted at Grawp (talk · contribs). We absolutely do not think you are this vandal. We appreciate your history of contributions and I hope I did not offend you at all. If you are still unable to edit, please do re-request an unblock. --Yamla (talk) 14:58, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Everything is fixed now, and I understand completely. Thank you.--Mr Fink (talk) 15:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Kenyapotamus

Unfortunately I don't think anyone has a very good idea what Kenyapotamus would have looked like. As I recall, they've only been identified from very fragmentary remains: partial jaw bones and a femur or two. The recent taxonomy of hippos, the one that the article Hippopotamidae is based off, by Boisserie, didn't even attempt to classify it's place in the family tree because of too little information. --JayHenry (talk) 06:31, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi

How you doing? You left a message on my talk page a while ago, and I briefly looked at it, then got involved in other things. Sorry. You've pinged me again. I'm happy to look into what's troubling you, as I think you are a valuable contributor to the project. What's concerning you at the moment - point me to articles and diffs. Regards SilkTork *What's YOUR point? 19:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

It's the same problem with UtherSRG, in that he refuses to let me post my picture of Procoptodon solely because he refuses to accept my pictures, to the point where he insists on replacing it with a "better" picture, to point where he continually disregards the fact that it is inaccurate. [7] --Mr Fink (talk) 20:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
I've started a discussion Talk:Procoptodon. SilkTork *What's YOUR point? 00:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Procoptodon

Would you be able to make amendments to your image to fit mine and other's concerns? It's the face, eyes and length of the claws that have attracted comments. Regards SilkTork *YES! 12:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I will. It's in my artistic schedule.--Mr Fink (talk) 14:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Anomalocaris, archiving

Hi,

Thanks for your comment on Talk:Anomalocaris, I've replied (basically it's a dumb idea to merge, I agree), and have expanded the page. If you've expertise, could you have a look to check my editing? It's mostly based on popular books obviously, and I'm not specialist enough to attempt much further.

Also, your talk page is quite long, have you considered archiving? If you place the following at the top of your page, it'll invisibly archive automatically. Long pages are harder for low-speed users to read, and are just generally hard to navigate. You are also free to simply delete, but archiving is generally seen as preferable.

{{User:MiszaBot/config|maxarchivesize = 250K|counter = 1|algo = old(7d)|archive = User talk:Apokryltaros/Archive %(counter)d}}

Adjust 250K to change the size of the archive before starting a new one, counter should change automatically as the bot makes new archive pages for you, algo can be adjusted for how old stuff gets before it's archived (7d = 7 days, 24h = 24 hours), and archive = is just the archive name. There's also {{archivebox}}, which sets up a pretty little box for you, and you can add archive names as you go along to whatever specs you want. You can see an example on my talk page if you'd like.

WLU (talk) 20:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Law's Diving Goose (can't seem to get the hyperlink right?)

First of all, I have to say your illustrations are wonderful. Not only is it helpful to have clear depictions of sometimes-obscure animals, they're a pleasure to look at as well. :)

I have two questions (sorry if these are unnecessary or inappropriate; I've had a Wikipedia account for a little while, I've just been shy about using it).

First, is it OK if I link to your illustration of Chendytes lawi in my blog, citing you by name? It's only Myspace and maybe three people read it, but you do amazing work and I try to respect people's intellectual property rights when I can. (I also stop at stop signs at three in the morning, though, so your mileage may vary. :D)

Second, what resources did you have at hand when you composed this picture? I ask mainly because I just discovered this article last night, myself, and everything else I've found on the net so far on this or any other Chendytes spp. is over fifty years old or uses your pic.

Thanks again for sharing your work with us. --13:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)LDhummingbird (talk)

Tommotia

Thanks for the all beautiful pictures of fossil creatures. Your images of aquatic animals especially bring the past world to life for us users of Wikipedia.

I'd like to request that you modify or remove your image of Tommotia, however. Although early on it was interpreted as an ancestral cephalopod, the fossil is now recognized as a single sclerite of a soft-bodied animal that bore a suit of these plus possibly another another sclerite type. There doesn't seem to be any good evidence that this phosphatic fossil belongs to a cephalopod or even a crown mollusk.

Maybe a picture showing a disarticulated Tommotia sclerite on the seafloor would convey a solid impression of what it looked like? Cheers, Cephal-odd (talk) 17:40, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Peculiar: I will get on it as soon as possible.--Mr Fink (talk) 18:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
The picture from Palaeos is the best I've seen on the web, but I'll keep my eyes open for another one in the literature too. - Cheers, Cephal-odd (talk) 01:25, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Evowiki troubles

Message from me at http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/User_talk:Bunnyform ... Evercat (talk) 22:46, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Formal warning for edit war on Placodermi

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution.

I'm now looking into the situation - but you must never again engage in the disgraceful display of petty reverting that took place on Placodermi on 21st April. If somebody reverts your work, go straight to discussion. Do not revert back! If the other people is unwilling to discuss, or you are unable to reach an agreement, then call for a third opinion. You must never again engage in that sort of behaviour. You have been very lucky to avoid being blocked. SilkTork *YES! 07:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I apologize: I was upset and frustrated over the situation, especially since the limit of the discussion was that he was right, and that I was lousy.--Mr Fink (talk) 14:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I have looked into it. There is nothing wrong with either version. Certainly there was no need for the edit war. Both versions could be used in the article, neither has to be displayed in the prime location. The situation called for a discussion not a battle. If someone removes an image of yours in future, please consider what they have done, and open a discussion with them before reverting what they have done. This will save conflict. It will save time in the long run, and it is simply the most respectful and harmonious way of editing. Read Help:Reverting, Wikipedia:Be bold and Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle - these give an overview on the consensus of how to deal with this sort if situation. The key to working on a collaborative project such as Wikipedia is COLLABORATION which depends on DISCUSSION. What we don't want is editors who attempt to force their will on other editors. I have told User:Nicolás10 and I will tell you, that you need to take my advise and the consensus of advise of experienced editors and discuss the matter with Nicolás10 and see what agreement you can come to. If you both find that your discussion doesn't move forward then seek a Wikipedia:Third opinion or ask for Wikipedia:Editor assistance. If you want further clarity on what I have said, then please get in touch with me. Regards SilkTork *YES! 00:40, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

rvt vandalism

Please revert something you call vandalism only if you are sure it IS actually vandalism. THANK YOU --demus wiesbaden (talk) 17:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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