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Why has this paragraph been continually removed? "He obtained a fair amount of infamy for crying after disregarding coach B.J. Penn's instruction, losing a fight, and then crying afterwards. On Episode 5, Wang was juxtaposed on camera calling himself a warrior and then crying loudly."
Grammar mistakes and it's not needed.No other page has paragraphs like this so why should this one? Also I created this page so I delete what I don't think belongs.(MgTurtle 15:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)).
Please identify the grammatical errors; or correct the errors yourself. Also, it is irrelevant that you created this page. You have no greater right to edit for relevancy than anyone else. Andy Wang is notable (and thus merits a Wikipedia entry) only because he was a contestant on TUF. He is best-known as a TUF contestant because he refused to listen to Penn's clear instructions and then started crying after the fight. Indeed, his emotional outburst was a focal point of the episode.
Why don't you identify yourself by signing in or get a WP page? It would help. Now, the only reason I told you I created the page is because I was the only one who deleted your paragraph. I don't beleive the paragraph is needed because he is not the only TUF fighter who cried after losing a fight.Yes, he cried more than anyone I can think of but that's besides the point. He didn't gain infamy in my opinion and I still don't believe the paragraph should be on this page. I didn't correct the grammar because I don't beleivev it belongs. You could put it on the TUF 5 page. If you think it should be on the page, then write it better, please. (MgTurtle 02:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC)).
It is relevant, because that was one of the focal points of the show. Compare the entry on Gabe_Ruediger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabe_Ruediger
There, it's noted that Ruediger failed to make weight - and it notes the attendant drama. On the TUF episode where Wang fought, his a) failure to listen to his coach's instructions and b) crying were focal points. In fact, the camera kept panning on Wang crying and then would switch to others for their reactions. (Remember when Penn specifically mocked Wang.) It also used irony, panning on Wang's tearful face in one scene, and then immediately showing earlier footage of him saying, "I want to be known as a warrior." Again, this was a main part of the episode he was showcased on.
I am truly baffled that you continue to edit out the most notable aspect of Wang's appearance on TUF. If Wang had not been on TUF, he would not be on Wikipedia, since he would not be notable enough to warrant inclusion. If he not had "pitched a fit" the way he did on TUF, he would not have been nearly as notable, either. Indeed, if you asked a TUF fan, "Do you know who Andy Wang is?" most would reply: "Isn't he the dude who cried on the show?"
Again, why haven't you signed in or gotten a WP page? it would make it easier for everyone to edit and reply to discussion. My problem with the paragraph was the wording not necessarily the paragraph itself. I like the way it's worded now, so thank you for correcting it. Yes,it was a focal point of the episode, I just wanted you to word it better since they were your words instead of mine.Thank you again for correcting the wording. (MgTurtle 02:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)).
He obtained a fair amount of infamy for crying after disregarding coach B.J. Penn's instruction, losing a fight, and then crying afterwards. On Episode 5, Wang was juxtaposed on camera calling himself a warrior and then crying loudly."
This is a pretty poor sentence. While I agree the guy was famous for crying it almost seems like you relish this and seem to think Andy Wang should be defined soley by it. Basically you seem to really have it in for Andy Wang.
Grammar problems 1. A fair amount ~not academic 'A considerable amount' would read better 2. why crying twice in one sentence? this makes no sense grammatically! He gained infamy for crying losing a fight and then crying? WTF?!
I would also argue there were many more notable things about Wang, the crying being the least of them.
1. His odd refusal to change teams 2. His odd decision to not use Jiu-jitsu 3. his odd obession with Asia i.e. 'I'm like a ronin, a masterless samurai' -Ok Wang, first, you're not even Japanese, you;re American. Second, WANG isn't a Japanese name, your connection with Samurai is a tenious as Germans and pasta. Thirdly Ronin lost their masters due to social upheval, you got kicked out for being a total ass. (urusainaa
Two facts I would mention about Andy Wang are these: 1. He was born in the southern Taiwanese city of Kaoshiung, not Taipei. I know this because I was Andy's student when he was in Taiwan and I interviewed him for a number of magazine articles I did on his school in Taiwan. 2. He is mentioned (along with several photos) in the section on Taiwanese martial arts history in the book titled Chinese Martial Arts Training Manuals: A Historical Survey, which was published in 2005 by North Atlantic Books. I know that because I am one of the two co-authors of that book.
take care, Brian L. Kennedy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianlkennedy (talk • contribs) 10:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
