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[edit] Hitler

Why does the article refer to him as Hitler from the very beginning, if he wasn't called Hitler until events described in the middle of the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.71.89.124 (talk) 22:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

What did Alois Hitler die from? --Marcus2 21:33, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

  • A pleural hemorrhage. I have done a massive style and syntax cleanup on this article, along with adding a few salient details. Wyss 04:31, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Did Alois Hitler really marry his own half-sister's daughter? — JIP | Talk 11:41, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

No, he didn't marry a niece. Klara (mother of Adolf Hitler) was a cousin, grandaughter of either his father or uncle. In the context of that time and place this was not at all unusual and in truth wonted.

You likely have this confused with his son Adolf's relationship with Geli Raubal, who indeed was Adolf's half-sister Angela's daughter. This sort of relationship was a bit close but still fairly normal for people of AH's socio-economic background at the time. Wyss 12:24, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

No, I was going by the family tree at the end of the Adolf Hitler article. It claims that Alois was the illegitimate son of Klara's grandfather, Johann Hiedler/Hüttler. Anyway how can Klara be Alois's cousin is she's his uncle's granddaughter? As for Geili Raubel, I've not even heard of her. — JIP | Talk 13:33, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

A "grand-niece" would be a cousin. Anyway they were all related in multiple ways (in truth, we all are, but the relationships in that small village were particularly close and familial). Alois was born out of wedlock but his father was almost certainly one of the Heidler brothers and his birth was later "legitimized" as such by the parish, which is how AH was legally born a "Hitler." See Geli Raubal for more about her. Wyss 14:57, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Many articles about Hitler's relatives claim a possibility of Klara being Alois's half-niece. But I suppose the exact truth will never be known. — JIP | Talk 15:30, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Living descendants?

Are there any direct descendants of Alois Hitler alive today? From what I've seen on Wikipedia, none of Adolf Hitler, Paula Hitler or Geli Raubal ever had children, and Alois Hitler Jr.'s only son William Patrick Hitler had four children, one of which died when he was young. The other three have vowed never to have children. Does this mean that when they die, there will be no Hitlers left in the world? — JIP | Talk 15:30, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

"Officially" yes, the last I heard the only remnant of AH's childhood family was living in New Jersey USA (including two or three sons of WPH, who was AH's nephew) and one way or another the family has taken public steps to wipe out their line. Wyss 19:27, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

In reply to JIP and Wyss above, I'd like to mention that the Wiki article on Alois alludes early on to the Thekla (sp?) possibility of another illegitimate child. Now, obviously, that kid would not be a descendant of Adolf (which, let's admit, is the ONLY reason for any interest in this otherwise obscure Austrian peasant family) but it/he/she indeed could be a direct descendant of Alois. Thus, the Heidler/Hitler line is not necessarily dead.
As an aside, I recently got a family tree about my own maternal great-grandmother's line. It noted that it only followed the family name - in other words, a man may have had other children, but only the ones that lead directly to me were noted in prior generations. Thus, I suspect there may be others who are 'attached' to the Hitler line but don't even know it....just food for thought...Engr105th 23:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thelka or Thekla?

Was the woman (whose last name is unknown) really called "Thelka"? "Thekla" was a common name then, Thelka I have never heard before. -- Aleph4 11:00, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

It's widely recorded and documented as Thelka. That said, since nobody knows anything else about this person (even her last name), it's reasonable to assume it was long-ago mis-spelled by some clerk or historian. However, since we should follow the documented record (and not get into the murky waters of original research by correcting something we think might be an ancient typo... without any support other than reasonable speculation), I'd leave it be... perhaps a parenthetical note on the question would be ok though. Wyss 11:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Alois sex life and parentage

Given his subsequent behaviour, it seems unlikely that Alois reached his mid-twenties before discovering sex. Therefore it seems likely that Adolf may have had other half-brothers and sisters apart from Thekla/Thelka's child. Is there any indication that anyone came forward claiming to be a half-sibling during Adolf's rise to power? If so, what became of them?

Also, how strictly was the ban on Jews enforced prior to 1860? I expect there were illegal immigrants them as there are today. Could a wealthy tobacco merchant (Frankenburger) have bribed officials to ignore his presence?

TCH. Hastings. UK.

Good points...its entirely possible, in fact likely, that Jews were coming into the area prior to Austria officially allowing them to, if it was attractive to them...otherwise, why would they bother after it was legal?
And its very likely Alois had un-ackowledged offspring, but equally likely we'll never know for sure...Engr105th 23:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alois' religious views

"Closely related to his support of education was his tolerant skepticism concerning religion. He looked upon religion as a series of conventions and as a crutch for human weakness, but, like most of his neighbors, he insisted that the women of his household fulfill all religious obligations. He restricted his own participation to donning his uniform to take his proper place in festivals and processions. As he grew older Alois shifted from relative passivity in his attitude toward the power and influence of the institutional Church to a firm opposition to "clericalism," especially when the position of the Church came into conflict with his views on education." - Smith, Bradley F. Adolf Hitler: His Family, Childhood and Youth Hoover Institute, 1967 p.27 -- [[User:Drogo Underburrow|Drogo Underburrow]] 05:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Picture

Can anyone please delete this pic???? a shame it is online, to see a real picture of alois hitler see german entry on him--85.180.30.212 13:39, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying to locate the German entry picture you mention, but could you provide a link?? I see no reason an authentic picture/photo shouldn't be on Wikipedia...????...Engr105th 23:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tone of article?

Some parts of this article read like passages in a bad novel, not like an ecyclopedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.15.63.111 (talk) 03:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

Cite one or two examples? Gwen Gale 03:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hippopotamus whip?

This edit, added nearly a year ago, says that Alois would beat young Adolf with a hippopotamus whip. Really? bd2412 T 23:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, well I've deleted reference to the hippopotamus whip, as it makes no sense. Cheers! bd2412 T 14:21, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
OTOH, sjambok documents that hippopotamus whips existed, used by European settlers on local workers in Africa. Alois might have come across an example or two at work. knoodelhed 07:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Icke's books

This article lists two books by David Icke as "additional sources". Exactly what content in this article is derived from Icke's books, if any? (This is a great example of why all facts in an article should be directly cited to their source.) Everyking 07:49, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, there is a source listed called Hitler was a British Agent. I really can't see how such sources could possibly be useful to this article. Everyking 07:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] name origin

  • Schicklgruber means sump digger in the Waldviertel dialect.

Couldnt be less true. The name means exactly what it brings to mind, the grubbing of shekels, or moneygrubbing. Also, there is no Waldviertel specific dialect of Austrian German. References to this on Google only occur on spammer clones of this exact Wikipedia page. This claim is laughably false. --Truthseeq (talk) 21:33, 13 February 2008 (UTC)