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[edit] guardian "quote"

i've removed once a citation that supposedly refs a quote that olmert said her first vote for her husband - however it seems more like an anti-israel source, echoing the case rather than a reliable source where she actually makes that quote [1] - in the middle of an anti-olmert rant. Jaakobou 14:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

What's the problem here? The article claimed that Aliza Olmert voted for her husband for the first time in 2006; someonr requested a citation: and I found and inserted one. Unfortunately, Jaakobou appears to have a bias against The Guardian [2], [3], [4], and does not accept it as a WP:RS. The GFuardian is certainly a reliable and acceptable source, it is one of the world's leading English-language newspapers. Jaakobou may disagree with some of its political positions, but that is beside the point. This is a clear case of a POV edit, and should not be allowed. RolandR 15:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

(1) i thought we went over this at the AV/I, next time you do this, i'll reconsider posting links to your own bias.

(2) your source, regardless of WP:RS and POV, is not the quote but an echo of the quote - hence, not a good ref. Jaakobou 17:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

You've been warned. Don't push your luck. RolandR 17:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

same goes to you. Jaakobou 18:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

you should reply as to concern no.2 or the link goes out. Jaakobou 18:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Guardian as an External Link

my main concern as to this article "about" aliza olmert of the guardian is that they take an awfull lot of time to focus on ehud olmert and make mistaken allegations such as claiming he's a "rightwing nationalist" (in the opening statement) and that "Aliza is a leftwing artist who is openly critical of his policies" (what policies? he hasn't even started yet) and "The new prime minister, however, has always been rightwing, a nationalist allied to the settler movement." (was he allied to the settler movement?). - this seems like an opinion piece focusing on hailing the wife and beating up on the husband, and on israel - "Stones were thrown and the Israeli army fired shots in retaliation." - they forget mentioning what size stones and that israelis are right under the landing point of these stones. see "stones" they also forget the terror attacks involving that location. (shoebat tells on how he smuggled a bomb through the temple mount) i could continue - but i think i've made my reasoning that either this article be at the end of the external links or removed completely for beying extreme POV pushing and informative on an anti-israel narrative only. Jaakobou 04:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Jaakobou's prejudice against the Guardian is well-documented, but does not justify the removal of links. This is a major profile of Aliza Olmert, one of the few published in English. And, by the way, by an Israeli-born journalist. What the size of stones or the ravings of Walid Shoebat have to do with this is quite beyond me. RolandR 08:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

User:RolandR, it seems you're insisting on personal attacks rather on discussion to the actual misinformation concerns. Jaakobou 19:10, 20 April 2007 (UTC)