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[edit] Missing highway

There is also a spur Highway 10X that lead from Highway 10 into the hamlet of Wayne near Drumheller. I don't know how to add it to the template without messing things up, so I'll leave it for more experienced hands. I'm not going to create a separate article for 10X, I'll just add it to the existing Alberta provincial highway 10 article. 23skidoo 05:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Expressways

Template {{AB Expressways}} was made a redirect to {{Alberta Provincial Highways}} following the deletion proposal Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 September_21#Template:AB Expressways (although the only comment was Merge, not Redirect).

Should the expressways be included as a separate line in this template (or create some emphasis)?

They would be:

1 • 2 • 3 (Crowsnest) • 4 • 8 • 14 • 16 • 43 • 63 • 100 • 201 • 216

AB Expressways also contained:

1A • 2A • 16A • 22 • 22X • 23 • 28 • 60

Consider also the named highways:

1A=Bow Valley Parkway • Queen Elizabeth II • 3=Crowsnest Highway • Red Coat Trail • 11=David Thompson Highway • 14=Poundmaker Trail • 16=Yellowhead Highway • Parkland Highway • Cowboy Trail • Grizzly Trail • 35=Mackenzie Highway • Vereran Memorial Highway • 40=Bighorn Highway • 41=Buffalo Trail • 55=Northern Woods and Water Route • Devonian Way • Red Coat Trail • 88=Bicentennial Highway

Please share your thoughts. --Qyd 19:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there's any need to differentiate -- all highways are in some sense expressways and there are a few listed as such that I personally would dispute (for example the Bow Valley Parkway is most certainly not an expressway by any stretch of the imagination). We don't need to reference the names in the template; that should be handled by the individual highway articles, though there should be redirects under the names, of course. BTW since when were Hwys 4 and 61 part of the Red Coat Trail? I thought that was just Hwy 3? 23skidoo 22:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Expressway was used in that template with the meaning of divided 4-lane highway (the template combined expressways and freeways). This are the major roads used to cross the province, so the reason behind making them stand out was that they would be the most looked up by someone using wikipedia as a reference.

The "other roads" in that template are basicly alternate routes for the expressways, and I fully agree there's nothing special about them, I just listed them for reference, as that template was deleted.

The named highways have some historic or geographic relevance, not at all related to the quality of the road (Bighorn isn't even paved all the way). Most of them are high traffic routes for some reason.

"Red Coat Trail" is a rather vague name for east-west roads running close to the US border in the prairie provinces (the Red Coats didn't have an actual road to follow in 1874). However, I only included them because they are designated as such in List of Alberta provincial highways, if you can find a good reference, that list should be modified accordingly.--Qyd 01:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I would say only those roads that are a divided 4-lane highway for the vast majority (90%+) of their length should included. I also think they should just be bolded in the current list, not put onto a seperate line. Tompw 12:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Those would be 1, 2, 16, 43 (no sure about 63). Just keeping count. --Qyd 16:44, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Secondary highways

I think that the template should be edited to have a category for Secondary Highways. There are now four Alberta Secondary Highways with Wikipedia articles (666, 734, 459, & 881). I haven't done this already because I don't know if there is supposed to be a consensus first before changing a template. --Windrider6 21:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I've added a row for secondary highways. Can't find the article for 459. You don't need to ask for consensus first if the edit is uncontroversial, and I really doubt anyone would contest this. –Pomte 23:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, mistyped. Should have been 759, not 459. Someone has mistakenly moved "Alberta secondary highway 759" to "Alberta provincial highway 759". I will set up a move request back to "Alberta secondary highway 759". --Windrider6 00:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the extra row with just four numbers looks odd. Aditionally, the anchor convention is a much more practical approach. --Qyd 22:30, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I guess I'm not so smart. I don't see the purpose of hiding content, and I don't know what you mean by "the anchor convention". All I see is that you've hidden the secondary highways section, which I had planned to add to. Maybe YOU think it looks odd to have only four numbers, but everything has to start somewhere. Maybe secondary highways in Alberta are not very important? I won't bother to work on them then. --Windrider6 04:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Anchors: Alberta Highway 500 is a redirect to List of Alberta provincial highways#500. Highway 500 in the list is marked with <span id="501">, so the redirect points at the exact place in the list. This approach was proposed some time ago, but didn't gain a lot of support, and wasn't widely implemented. I honestly believe that having an exhaustive list is a better approach than creating a few stubs. --Qyd (talk) 00:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Agree. Doesn't make sense to hide in the mean time; maybe a split when it gets too large. Qyd, what do you mean by anchor convention? There are no anchored links to List of Alberta provincial highways. –Pomte 00:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Not anymore... they were deleted (about the same time when all highway articles were renamed). The id's are still present in the list though. --Qyd (talk) 23:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC) Correction: the redirects are still in place (such as Alberta secondary highway 500, but the actual links (in articles) were moved to Alberta Highway 500, so it doesn't quite work anymore. I'll move the redirects to the new Alberta Highway xxx naming convention, so that the anchored redirects will work. --Qyd (talk) 23:53, 11 February 2008 (UTC)