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Contents 1 Nickname 2 Copyright violation 3 Emblem 4 AEK FC or AEK Athens FC 5 History section 6 Major Rewrite 7 AEK Kit Evolution 8 Removal of Kit Evolution 9 AEK Club Anthem 10 Recent Deletions/Modifications 11 Start Class? 12 AEK league titles. 13 Biggest wins 14 Propaganda 15 Fair use rationale for Image:AEK--1960.svg.png 16 Date Found 17 Tachtsidis 18 M+S 18.1 Shirt sponsors and manufacturers 19 B 20 Checking history! 21 Kit 22 Requested move 22.1 Survey 22.2 Discussion 23 Loans became transfers 24 Reverts and Sources

[edit] Nickname

the nickname hanoumakia is insulting so i removed it. We can call Olympiakos "arouraioi" or Panathinaikos "lagoi". So we understand that it is insulting.

[edit] Copyright violation

The History section of this article was lifted from the AEK website. I have removed it. Thanks/wangi 14:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Emblem

I've uploaded an SVG-format graphic of the club emblem. Dragases 11:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AEK FC or AEK Athens FC

I recommend that we move the article to AEK FC; this is the official name of the club. AEK Athens FC is only used by UEFA. Opinions? Dragases

In articles on Wikipedia, the UEFA usage is normally used. In English usage, the team is normally referred to as "AEK Athens" (except by the idiot sportscaster on Sky News who pronounces it "Ike"!) -- Arwel (talk) 18:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

The team name is actually pronounced AH-ek (It's the idiot sportscasters that pronounce it A.E.K. that annoy me). Anyway, it's not a huge issue, just a suggestion... as an AEK fan, I prefer AEK FC. Dragases

[edit] History section

Is incredibly biased and sounds like it was written by the most fawning of AEK supporters.--GoHawks4 22:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

What's exactly the problem? Can you mention a part that annoys you?XVA 02:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major Rewrite

I've done a major rewrite of the existing article to make it a flow a little better and to make it little more palatable to Wikipedia tastes (less biased/POV). I've also separated the History section into major eras (20 year blocks), and added a Kit Evolution section. Please let me know of any errors - detailed information on the club is a little difficult to obtain when you're not in Greece... P.S. A credit to Phantis Wiki for the various player bios. Dragases 02:57, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AEK Kit Evolution

Even though most of the kits I've included in the Evolution section are accurate, some may not be due to a lack of accessible club photographic material at the time. In these cases, I've made an educated guess. Please feel free to adjust if you are sure about a specific kit. Cheers. Dragases 08:22, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Mate, i would like to inform you that in a reecent update of supersport.gr regarding AEK's new kit you can find photos of AEK's kit evolution from 1970 to 2007. Mayebe you can check it out and use it if you like. It's really interesting and informative! Here's the link http://www.supersport.gr/default.asp?aid=127092 --Goldimit 05:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Cheers.Dragases 12:11, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of Kit Evolution

Why was AEK's kit evolution section removed? A club's kit evolution is one of the most interesting aspects of its history.203.15.18.20 03:17, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AEK Club Anthem

I've just added a Greek transliteration/English translation of the the lyrics to the AEK Anthem. Dragases 10:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Deletions/Modifications

I noticed that user 85.75.222.152 recently deleted a few small sections in the article with regard to AEK's links to the Istanbul-based Pera Club. Though not a direct continuation of AEK or PAOK, I believe that it is important to at least mention the link that Pera Club (or at least, its athletes) had with AEK and PAOK. If AEK did not consider it's link to Pera Club important, then I don't believe club officials would have bothered to visit Pera Club during their recent trip to Istanbul as part of AEK's 80th Anniversary.Dragases 01:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, AEK's championship titles of 1941 and 1943 - during the Axis occupation - may not be officially recognised by the HFF (a reason it has been omitted from the official titles section), but I do believe that the fact should be mentioned as part of the History section.Dragases 01:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Start Class?

It is a let down that the new and improved article was rated as "start", seeing how the poorer predecessor was rated "B". Would the addition of footnotes help in raising the grade?XVA 10:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The ratings are not about quality, per se. For this article to be rated B Class, sources are key. They do not have to be inline citations for the article to be B Class, but inline citations would help it become a "Good Article," so why not just do it all at once. Argos'Dad 18:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AEK league titles.

Our total tally is 11 league titles and not 13,since the midwar championships aren't officially recognized.XVA 11:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The championships of 1940/41 and 1942/1943 officially started (the 1942/43 started twice!) but didn't finish due to the Greco-Italian War. So i think we should include them as long as we note that. --Darth21 13:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

The reverts to 13 are starting to become annoying. The official tally of Championships is 11. I, as much as the next AEK fan, would love to see EPO recognise the additional 2 Championships, but until they do - it's 11.Dragases 06:44, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Biggest wins

there wasn't a league in 1940-41, although u have invented not only a league but an official win 7-3 against Olympiakos. Go to www.epo.gr and see if there has been a league in year 1940-41. this is of course an unofficial game which u have put in a fictional 1940-41 league.

The 1940-41 league DID start and AEK DID win Olympikos 7-3 (29-09-1940). The championship stopped because of the Greco-Italian War (28-10-1940) but until then the matches were official. --Darth21 12:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

AEK-Olympiakos 7-3 (1940) -> Friendly match —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.6.253 (talk) 15:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

1940/41

EPSA Championship (league in Athens) 6-10-1940 Apollonas Athinas - A.O. Pangrati 6:0 A.E.K. Athinas - Arionas Athinas 2:1 Asteras Athinas - Athinaikos Vyrona 1:1 Panathinaikos - Atromitos Peristeri 2:0 13-10-1940 Panathinaikos - Asteras 0:0 A.E.K. - Athinaikos Vyrona 4:1 Atromitos P. - Apolonas Athinas 0:2 Pangrati - Arionas 3:0 20-10-1940 Athinaikos - Panathinaikos 3:2 Asteras - A.E.K. 0:6 Apollonas Athinas - Arionas 6:1 Pangrati - Atromitos Peristeri 0:0 date? A.E.K. - Olympiakos 7:3 Suspended 27-10-1940, with A.E.K. leading the league with a record of: 1.A.E.K. 12 4 4- 0- 0 19: 5 +14

EPSP Championship (league in Pireus) 6-10-1940 Olympiakos S.F.P. - Keramikos 7:0 Ethnikos - Proodeftiki Neolaia 2:2 Thiseas - Argonaftis 5:1 13-10-1940 Olympiakos S.F.P. - Ethnikos 2:0 Proodeftiki Neolaia - Argonaftis 6:2 Keramikos - Aris Pireas 2:2 20-10-1940 Olympiakos S.F.P. - Thiseas 4:0 Ethnikos - Aris 5:1 Keramikos - Proodeftiki 1:0 Suspended 27-10-40

EPSTh (league in Thessaloniki) 6-10-1940 Aris - Iraklis 2:0 P.A.O.K. - M.E.N.T. Toumbas 5:3 13-10-1940 P.A.O.K. - Aris 2:2 20-10-1940 P.A.O.K. - Madedonikos Neapolis 2:1 M.E.N.T. - Iraklis 3:2 26-10-1940 Iraklis - Megas Alexandros 1:0 Aris - M.E.N.T. 4:0 Suspended 27-10-1940 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.73.50.15 (talk) 13:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Propaganda

aek isn't the only greek team who has won all the domestic titles. olympiakos and panathinaikos has done the same. be accurate and not fanatic.

Neither Olympiakos nor Panathinaikos have won the League Cup or the Pre-Mediterranean Cup so please be more carefull and don't accuse someone of being something you propably are. --Darth21 16:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Pre-Mediterranean Cup is an unofficial title —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.6.253 (talk) 15:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

So what guys? Other articles about teams such as AFC Ajax include even cups from friendly games while lots of other articles include unofficial titles such as the Balkans Cup or the Latin Cup. I believe we should at least mention it. Darth21 (talk) 11:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

http://www.contra.gr/Archive/ContraFiles/149516.html Darth21 (talk) 21:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:AEK--1960.svg.png

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[edit] Date Found

The date AEK was found is April 13...here is the source...now stop changing it...Source The-real-zeus 23:45, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually the author of the article you've quoted (Mr. Charidimos Manoussakis) accepts now that this date is most likely inaccurate,since on the very same day a referendum on the nature of the Greek state was held.

http://www.sansimera.gr/archive/almanac/?date=1404 XVA 01:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

• Dude...thats APRIL 14....not APRIL 13...The-real-zeus (talk) 01:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

• Here is a link from an actual AEK site http://aek.gr/history_1.asp very clearly states 13η Απριλίου/13 April

• DO WE ALL AGREE THAT A.E.K WAS FOUNDED ON APRIL 13 1924...?The-real-zeus (talk) 01:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tachtsidis

Panagiotis Tachtsidis appeared on the latest AEK cup game and cup games are official, hence he is a part of AEK squad. The official AEK site is simply not updated frequently enough,this should not limit wikipedia. Please do not edit his name out or I will be forced to take this issue higher. XVA 20:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

http://www.sportdog.gr/new/article.aspx?article_id=47951 http://www.goalday.gr/article.asp?catid=10489&subid=2&pubid=605795 http://www.fmgreece.gr/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=15783&view=next —Preceding unsigned comment added by XVA (talk • contribs) 12:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] M+S

[edit] Shirt sponsors and manufacturers

Period	Kit Manufacturer	Shirt Sponsor
1986–89	Zita	Ethniki Asfalistiki
1989–90	Diadora
1990–93		None
1993–95	Basic	Phoenix Asfaleies
1995–96	Kappa	Ethniki Asfalistiki
1996–98		Geniki Bank
1999		Firestone
1999-2000		Marfin
2000-01	Nike
2001-02		Alpha Digital
2002-04		Piraeus Bank
2004		TIM
2005-06	Adidas
2006-07		LG
2007-08	Puma

Keeping this hear incase needed..The-Real-ZEUS (talk) 19:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] B

I have been editing this article for some time....when i started editing this article it was rated a Start, thanks to everybody who has contributed it has now been moved to a B class....props!!The-Real-ZEUS (talk) 18:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Checking history!

I do not know much about greek football, so can someone check who was the AEK's chairman in 1952. Because if it was the famous Eleftherios Venizelos, who died in 1936, then I would like to see some sources that AEK had a dead person as a chairman!

by the way @ The-Real-ZEUS if this is indeed a mistake can you fix the related links at the pages you have created directing to the following article of Eleftherios Venizelos, such as here and here

Thank you in advance-- A.Cython (talk) 17:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

• All fixed...dont get your niples in a tangle over it, simple mistake...The-Real-ZEUS (talk) 19:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for placing things in order, and don't worry about me... I found it amusing that AEK was having (in WP even for a few days) a dead man for chairman! lol A.Cython (talk) 13:12, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

• lolThe-Real-ZEUS (talk) 16:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kit

"In Greece there are no Home and Away kits, per se. Teams always wear their 1st kit unless there is a resemblance between both team kits."

And in which country it isn't this way? There is no need to emphasize something like this.Zhelja (talk) 01:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe there is a need to emphasise this. In England and Australia (to name a few), teams playing at home always wear their home kit and away teams must always revert to their away kit if the colours are similar to the home team. In Greece, however, the home team is obliged to change to its alternate kit as a courtesy. There is a difference. Dragases (talk) 11:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Fair point, but it doesn't say so in the article. Maybe it should. So, the home team changes their kit? If, say, Aris play at home with AEK, it will be AEK wearing yellow? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zhelja (talk • contribs) 23:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the home team changes their kit as a courtesy. In the recent play-off game between AEK - Aris (at AEK's home ground) AEK wore all-white while Aris wore their home colours of yellow and black. 203.15.18.20 (talk) 06:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

[edit] Loans became transfers

I will remove entries for Blanco and Edinho in the Players In on loan list as they now have signed contracts. Also, I don't understand why they figure in the 2007/2008 squad changes as "In", since they were only loans. In my opinion, loaned players must not appear in that list. El-greco (talk) 13:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reverts and Sources

Darth21, I don't understand why you keep reverting changes about the squad. You claim that the official site has not updated the squad list, however reliable media indicates that some players have left the club. Sources are not only official sites, but reliable media too. AEK article is not a copy of the official site. Or else, we should change the classification according to the official site's classification, and place AEK in first position of the league ;) El-greco (talk) 08:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Since nobody has responded to my commentary, I have edited the squad changes again with refs to reliable media. El-greco (talk) 17:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)