Talk:Adnan Sami

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Contents 1 Article cleanup needed 2 Nationality and ethnicity 3 Article corrections 4 Image copyright problem with Image:Bbb1.jpg 5 Assessment

[edit] Article cleanup needed

• Info box needed
• The biography section of the article needs some "fleshing out"
• A discography would be useful

Please, do NOT reinsert "fan" material. You can see my HTML comments within the page that mark it as such. --Otheus 23:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nationality and ethnicity

Can we agree - is he Pakistani or Indian? I was under the impression that he was Indian and thus changed all the categories, but now I see this article is monitored by WP Pakistan... I'm confused. Cricketgirl 20:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC) He is sure Pakistani by nationality. But Music (mainly classical) doesn't fall in "Pakistani" category, at most it can be Music from Pakistan. It is funny to read "Pakistani classical music" in biographical note.

His music is not Pakistani music, it's Indian. He uses Indian lyricists, Indian studios, Indian production companies, lives in India, and sells for a primarily Indian audience. Nothing about him is Pakistani except that he was born there, the same way Mel Gibson was born in Australia but today has nothing to do with Australia. One of Adnan Sami's parent's was even Indian. Adnan Sami Khan is a declared traitor of pakistan.

Well, I think he is Pakistani. And I'm not real clear on how you differentiate Indian Music from Paki Music. But I think ethnically, he's Pakistani, and histortically, that would make him Indian. Today, though, I think it would be plausible to quote him as Pakistani. He relies on India for infrastructure, because let's be honest, the Pakistani Music Industry sucks. Look at Strings, they're working very closely with the Indian Industry now. He is a Pakistani and sang songs for the Pakistani music industry for most of his life. I am now going to make the edit to remove that part in the article. And I am not sure why you would say the Pakistani Music Industry sucks when clearly they are making some amazing work! The only thing you can say is the record companies are more brutal in Pakistan. UnitedPakistan 23:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I hope this settles it. Several bio sites mention he was born in the UK, not Pakistan or India. So his parents are Pakistani and Indian, and his ethnicity, Urdu, is derived from both. Since his ethnicity is fairly important to his notoriety, as required by WP:BIO and other wiki guidelines, this is and should be mentioned in the lead.

Also, the bio's give different names for his father. I'm using the name provided by one written by Sharon Supriya since it gives more details than the web promotion site.

--Otheus 14:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

What's the point of calling him Pakistani if he was born in London, only one of his parents was Pakistani, and he lives in India? If anything he's a British Indian, or just Indian since his mother is Indian, he lives in India, sings for Indian composers, sells albums to a mostly Indian audience, was discovered and trained by Indians, and has never lived in Pakistan in his life.

Adnan Sami is a Pakistani... period. He started his carrier in Pakistan by acting and singing in a film SARGAM in early nineties. He had 5-6 Album released during that time from Pakistan and England. In fact his recently released Album has lots of numbers from that time. He was unknown in India at that time. For short period of time when he was very young he also appeared in PTV show "SAAT Suron Ki Dunia" conducted by famous Pakistani musician Sohail Rana. Very recently in one of his interview I read that he is currently working in India on work visa just like lots of us worked in USA or middle east. India is a huge market and provides him better opportunity to showcase and sell his talent and that may be the only connection he has with India, this makes lots of professional sense to him to work with better equipped studios and professionals. Having said all above, let’s agree that to enjoy his talent we don't have to own him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.212.154 (talk) 07:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article corrections

As an ex-contributor to wikipedia i would like to request to edit the discussion page properly, because it is very hard to tell who is saying what. And as far as the matter of his nationality is concerned, leave it. Lets call him South-Asian musician born in Pakistan and based in India. < Anything wrong with this ?????

Yes. See the discussion in the previous section. Otheus 14:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I think my name was anmol ;). --220.227.141.28 14:02, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok i think i have done enough research on Adnan Sami, and i am back to the same old problem for which i left wikipedia, Its an encyclopedia and yet many people contributing to it like it is Yellow pages. And many articles like this one are wrapped in flags and religious symbol and people fight like children, this is encyclopedia. So let me point out my objection on this article,

"This article is part of WikiProject Pakistan which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Pakistan and Pakistan-related topics. "

So how is that this a Pakistan related topic ?

• He was born in neither in Pakistan nor in India, but England.
• His Father is Pakistani but Mother is Indian,
• He have learnt classical music from both Indian and Pakistani people.
• He is based in Mumbai, and caters to mostly if not only, Indian Music and Film Industry.
• Yet this article is Pakistan related content.

So i will go ahead and make things right about this article. Any objections should be put forward in here and should be discussed in mature manner. --220.227.141.28 10:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Good work, Anmol. Thanks for your help and corrections to the article. For readability reasonsn, I reformatted your comments above. Otheus 14:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Bbb1.jpg

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[edit] Assessment

As discussed above:

• An info box is required (use template).
• A photograph with the correct copyright is required.
• The article needs rewriting in a more encyclopaedic tone.
• Citations required.
• Extensive discography required in form of table. Including playback songs by the singer.
• The awards section could possibly be enhanced with a table with the awards Sami as received, which could be ordered with respect to time.
• Issues regarding Adnan Sami's nationality, if they still arise should be resolved using a vote. As of now, I believe since he has not been given Indian nationality, and was born in Pakistan, he should be classed as a Pakistan as he is already recognised as by Indians too.
• It is plausible to add WP India banner to the article, however, the article should remain a shared domain under WP Pakistan, India and Biographies.
• History about the artist; before he moved to India, should be included in the article, for example, his contribution in Pakistani cinema and music industry.

I have classed the article as start class from a WP Pakistan stance as it only gives very little information about the artist. In order to improve the article, an example can be taken from the page on Noor Jehan, which is a good lay out in my opinion and will also help standardise content related to WP Pakistan. I hope this was helpful. Keep up to good work! SholeemGriffin (talk) 22:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)