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Stop being a jerk. I wont tell you again. Thanks, SqueakBox 07:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
From my point of view I never started being one. It's simply irritating and can hardly facilitate discussion when you are at odds with someone. Look at the schizophrenic incongruousness of your above message, for instance. 86.44.28.245 (talk) 07:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Well that is normal, someone being a jerk and not realising it. We have standards here and you are breaking them my making childish personal attacks against me so as I said please don't/ And I couldn't care less if you, one new editor, finds it irritating. get a life. Thanks, SqueakBox 08:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't see it, and don't mean it, as a personal attack. It's a stylistic affectation of yours which you could stand to lose with no loss to anyone. From my point of view, it is disappointing that you would not change it when someone points outs that it is irritating. 86.44.28.245 (talk) 08:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps you should sign into an account. Many people find that irritating. Thanks, SqueakBox 08:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm not registered. 86.44.28.245 (talk) 08:25, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
That's why please register. E Wing (talk) 08:31, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Then you could get a really irritating multi-coloured signature that strains the eyes to read. Believe me I have seen them all. Thanks, SqueakBox 08:39, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Are you saying if i register, you'll delete your sign-off? 86.44.28.245 (talk) 09:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Absolutely not. I am saying wikipedia is replete with irritasting automated preference sigs and mine is probablky the least irritating. Thanks, SqueakBox 09:07, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Haha. 86.44.28.245 (talk) 09:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Jazz

hello, i undid your edit to the jazz article not necessarily because i disagree, but believe that you should explain such an edit. what do you mean that call and response has "depreciated" in current scholarship? how did you arrive at that conclusion? thanks Youngea (talk) 11:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for the msg. Not call and response, just the idea of it as an ingredient of jazz from African musics. Discussions on these antecedents in recent decades inititiated mainly by Tagg and Van de Merwe (Tagg's essay is online somewhere) haven't debunked the consensus position represented by the detailing of the other traits in the lead, but Shipton in his A New History of Jazz (2nd. ed. Continuum, 2007) [also in the first edition, which is 2005 IIRC, but it's the second I have to hand] points out that since call and response is near-ubiquitous in various traditions, and since it existed in sea shanties and work songs of dock workers and manual works generally, both of which are not unconnected with the African-American experience, and since, unlike gospel and the blues, there is no evidence of call and response in the earliest jazz recordings, save for a propensity of the players to take extended solos in turn, which we may say is tenuous at best, we can avoid linking call and response to the traits traceable to West Africa, no matter how tempting it is. 86.44.28.245 (talk) 12:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thanks for the reply. This is one of the longest sentences i have ever read...ok, seems i don't understand some of the logic here...1) yes, call and response is not monopolized by the musical culture of west africa. but the issue isn't whether call and response exists elsewhere, but whether the particular call and response of jazz can be best attributed to west africa. you say that the call and response may be from work songs and sea shanties connected to the african-american experience...so what is the origin of the call and response in sea shanties and work songs? 2) what are the earliest jazz recordings you are referring to? also jazz is itself linked to gospel and blues, and via that, is linked again to call and response. if gospel and blues get their call and response from west africa, and jazz gets its call and response from gospel and blues...well, you get the point i'm sure. i would appreciate your thoughts on this. Youngea (talk) 23:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
*shrug*
the issue ... [is] whether the particular call and response of jazz can be best attributed to west africa Not quite, I think: It's whether it's one of the retentions that is a basic ingredient in the formulation of jazz. That's why it's in the lead. See second para. "From its early development until the present, jazz has also incorporated..." And the issue of "best attributed" is best avoided, we don't have to ahistorically get into which of every facet of everything is best attributed to what, just things that can be said with good reason.
what is the origin of the call and response in sea shanties and work songs? Repetitive, necessarily rhythmic, necessarily led manual work? They date back at least to 1493 in the European tradition, if that's helpful.
what are the earliest jazz recordings you are referring to? I'm not, Shipton is. Do you refute him? It doesn't seem contentious to me. He's talking about before large ensembles.
if ... jazz gets its call and response from gospel and blues Again per Shipton, best evidence is that jazz and blues developed separately, then overlapped. But if we say that jazz gets call and response from blues (horns "answering" the sung phrase when jazz players backed blues singers?) then there is still the difficulty of where blues got it from and we are back full circle. The point was that since early jazz doesn't display it to an important degree, we have good reason to avoid it. We're not talking about gospel, blues, or African-American music as a homogeneous entity, just jazz. 86.44.28.245 (talk) 01:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stockholm?

Sorry - haven't been in Stockholm since the mid-90's. Thanks all the same for the kind words. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 19:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Replay On Mahabharat

I think you are going out of this metter this matter is under discuss Hkansagra (talk) 12:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NME

I have a number of physical reprints, often in anthologies. NME had a line of reprints a few years ago titled NME Originals that reprinted articles and reviews from NME and Melody Maker, grouped according to subject. I have the Goth and Britpop issues. You can also find some reprints at rocksbackpages.com, via permission by the author. You have to pay for a subscription there, though. Some editors in the UK have gone out of their way to look up back issues at libraries, or in their own collections. WesleyDodds (talk) 07:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] stalking

you are kinda wasting your time, running around tweaking articles I am just gonna rewrite anyway. EraserGirl (talk) 23:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Holy crap. It is accepted on wikipedia that stalking edits in order to annoy is quite serious, a form of harassment, in fact. If you believe that is the case here, you can and should report it on the administrators noticeboard for such incidents. If you don't, withdraw your comments. 86.44.28.245 (talk) 23:47, 18 April 2008 (UTC) cross-posting to erasergirl's talk