User talk:86.137.53.47

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Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. Hiberniantears 19:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

  1. Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, as you did to Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Vonones 20:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. This is your last warning.
    The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Vonones 20:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] False claim of Vandalism

Vonones I believe you have unfairly labeled my recent amend of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus page as Vandalism. The removal of POV and Neutrality tags cannot be constituted as 'Vandalism' but expressions of Free Speech. As long as these amends are backed up with arguments then they should be supported and allowed. I am also very angry at the threat of 'Blockage'. Should I be blocked by yourself I shall seek the rightful removal of this at the Administration Board of Wikipedia. Why then can I not seek a Block on those that put these tags on the page in the first place. By the same token I should be allowed to place these tags on other sites, such as that of the Republic of Cyprus, should there be a consensus that the Neutrality of the content is in question?

Thank You.

[edit] re your message at User talk:Hiberniantears

My reply there is: As Hiberniantears is not responding, I shall. Wikipedia has procedures, which include the placing of tags. Once placed a tag should not be removed until the matter has been discussed at the appropriate venue. It may be decided that the criteria for the tag was not breached. Placing a tag on an article does not mean that the article is wrong, only that someone believes it should be discussed.

Removing tags before the process is complete is regarded as vandalism, and Vonones was correct to report this. Since you were attempting to discuss this matter I have removed the vandalism report to discuss this with you. If you wish to participate in the discussion regarding why the article was tagged you will need to register an account. LessHeard vanU 20:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC) Removing the tag again will very likely attract a block, so please don't yield to temptation.

[edit] Cyprus Wiki Page

OK. That is fair enough. Then why has Vonones just removed my Tag from earlier to the Republic of Cyprus page with no recourse to a discussion? I believe this is also unfair and I would like to report Vonones for this action. How can I do this?

I will have a chat with Vonones, but it is likely because they believed it to be a "tit for tat" tagging, or that the criteria is not fulfilled. The best way to get your viewpoint across is to register (although not necessary), read up on Wikipedias Rules, Policies and Guidelines and start contributing to the place. I would point out that all points of view must be included - even stuff you don't like - as long as there are references available... in the meantime I will pop over to Vonones. LessHeard vanU 21:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Tag Removal and Addition to Cyprus and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Pages

Hello,

Can you please explain your removal of my POV tags for the Republic of Cyprus pages (which I have reported as vandalism) and addition of POV tags to the TRNC Wiki pages? These are expression of free speech which is not in the spirit of Wiki. I also take issue with your claim of 'Vandalism' by myself to these pages which I have also raised with Wiki Admin.

Thank You

TRNC is not a official country, while Cyprus is you have to give a legitimate reason why it is POV I see nothing wrong as nothing was addressed. --Vonones 21:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TRNC is not a official country, while Cyprus is.

Ridiculous. TRNC is recognised by at least 3 different International Countries. Also please show me where in the Wiki Guidelines does it say you have the authority to claim what is an official country??? This is madness. I will be replacing my POV tag on the Cyprus page as I have supplied my justification. If you want it removed I would like a discussion around it and if at the end of this discussion my claim is answered it should be removed.

Can I ask who those three countries are? it is not a country. Such as Nagorno-Karabakh is not. --Vonones 21:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cyprus Wiki

This issue is with the following line:

"The Republic of Cyprus, the internationally recognised state, has de jure sovereignty over the island of Cyprus and surrounding waters;"

There are UN articles at present disputing the waters claim here and clearly the Northern Part of the Island. Until these are rectified I believe my POV tags should remain on this page.

Well it has a source. --Vonones 21:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 3 Countries

Ofcourse you can ask. They are:

Azerbaijan, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Turkmenistan.

I think your reference to Nagorno-Karabakh is great evidence of your inability for Neutral discussion or amends on Wikipedia. I think you should strongly re-think your agenda for editing on Wiki. I very much feel at present it is not to share information but to drive some Armenian, anti-Turkish agenda. Which is sad to see.

FYI Karabakh was a example, Azerbaijan and those other countries do not recognize TRNC. --Vonones 21:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

It is strange that your example comes from Armenia rather than the countless other such regions in the world? Anyway, I will leave your POV and Neutrality tags as they areand hope they give you some strange Virtual enjoyment.

Northen Cyprus will continue to be the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and the Republic of Turkey shall remain in its present sovereign borders from West to East...Best of Luck.

Right good for Turkey, it doesn't bother me unless civilians get hurt. I support Karabakhs independence and Cyprus is close to Karabakh. --Vonones 21:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Great, good to hear your such a Humanist. That will include both side of civilians then will it? Including the Turkish Cypriot civilians slaughtered during the Greek Cypriot coup and before? I doubdt theyd get a mention, not to suggest you have some biased hidden agenda (no,no,no, wouldnt say that)...
Right... --Vonones 21:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
To the ip editor. I stopped you from getting blocked as I saw you were attempting to discuss the matter. I then asked Vonones, at your request, to explain his actions, which he has. I do not like the manner you are now speaking to Vonones, and if you persist then I will block you for violating the Wikipedia principles of civility and assuming good faith. Please moderate your language. LessHeard vanU 22:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
More threats from the Wiki Admin Core. Lovely atmosphere for Free Debate upheld here clearly.
Wikipedia is not a democracy and has policies and guidelines that must be followed if you want to contribute. Only within these rules you can say what you want. Thus there is no right to "Free Speech" outside that which is allowed by the rules. LessHeard vanU 15:03, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
If you abide by the rules you can do alot. --Vonones 13:53, 1 September 2007 (UTC)