Talk:5 (New York City Subway service)
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[edit] 5 trains via Seventh Avenue/West Side Line?
Should there be extra stations added that are served by the 5 train? After all, some trains operate via West Side Express, although it serves the stations limited rush hours in the peak direction. However, since they are not usually general orders, these extra stations should probably be added. Only stations that are served due to general orders shouldn't be added, and since 5 trains serve the West Side limited rush hours in the peak direction, the extra stations should be added. Need opinions!!! --imdanumber1 15:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- I replied to a similar comment on 2 (New York City Subway service). I know of no citable source for 5 service on the west side, except as an occasional construction re-route or GO. And I don't think Wikipedia is the right place to describe those changes, unless they can be verified and are expected to be in place regularly, and for a long time. Marc Shepherd 15:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
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- As far as I know, trains that serve the West Side IRT aren't really GO's. Same thing for the 2 (New York City Subway service). --imdanumber1 17:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
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- The Wikipedia standard is verifiability, based on reliable published sources. What's the citable source for this? An example would be the MTA website, the official subway map, the published timetable, a press release, a news story, or something like that.
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- By the way, I am not denying that 5 trains are sometimes seen on the west side, and that 2 trains are sometimes seen on the East side. I am merely suggesting the standard for when such things are sufficiently notable to belong in the articles. Marc Shepherd 17:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
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Well Marc, you're right about that. I will look around and until I find something about this matter the pages will stay the same. --imdanumber1 18:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Marc: Although 5 trains travel via West Side Express, it doesn't show it so on the online MTA map. Same thing for the 2 operationg East Side Express. Well, for both trains, they sometimes go to New Lots or Utica Avenues, but doesn't say so. Well, the way that the trains run decides what should be put on artcles, don't you think? --imdanumber1 17:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- If you look carefully at the MTA map, there is small print in the lower right-hand corner. Under the 2, it says, "some rush hour trips to/from New Lots Av, Brooklyn." Under the 5, it says, "some rush hour trips to/from Utica Av or New Lots Av, Brooklyn." There is no such small print indicating that 2 trains occasionally run on the East side, or that 5 trains occasionally run on the West Side. The link is herePDF (436 KiB).
- For the record, I remain opposed to listing the Eastern Parkway Line stations beyond Franklin Avenue as being served by the 2 and 5. I think it's confusing, and highly inappropriate for a general purpose encyclopedia. Everywhere else in the MTA literature and signage, those stations are not shown as served by the 2 or 5. Since the MTA saw fit to say so only in a footnote, we should do the same. However, I was outvoted, and the MTA map does provide a fig-leaf of support for the majority view. Small print counts as a "citable source," even if only weakly.
- But for the point that you're propsing, we don't even have that. Marc Shepherd 18:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
