Talk:4th millennium BC

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Uruk also comes as 'Warka' in some English language texts, but Susa is Susa. A quick googling turns up 2,280 for Susa and 137 for Suse, and the Suse entries are predominantly French-language (or the quotation of French-language titles in English web pages). MichaelTinkler

Uhh - 217.128.36, do you just not believe me that in English we spell the place 'Susa' rather than 'Suse'? Or is it really a different place? I found a map via Google that left me in little doubt. Talk to me here. Don't just change it back. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort. See

http://www.umma.lsa.umich.edu/OldWorld/Deh_Luran/IX/Suse_Phase.htmlMichaelTinkler

Sorry, I tough I wrote Susa by mistake. but not that someone else modified it so rapidly

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[edit] heads of state

How do we know it? 203.162.3.147 05:23, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Because as civilizations began to rise that concept came into form. There were no prior states in a previous millennium when that idea was created. Any evidence to the contrary should be submitted. Until then it goes back in. --Richard Cane 02:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

There must be some more convincing evidence. Can you substantiate what you said above? Wikipeditor 18:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Writings from this era have substantiated that heads of state were considered to be divine. As I've said, if you have any evidence that prior to this millennium there were civilizations with a head of state considered divine go ahead and take it out and put it in that millennium. It was a very important event because it influenced and justified the power heads of state had over their people and I think it needs to be mentioned. Richard Cane 09:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Early drainage and sewerage system

Can we change "in India" to "in the Indus Valley Civilization" (which, as it seems, was largely in modern Pakistani territory)? Wikipeditor 18:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3761 or 3760

A question I myself have been trying to figure out. In Judaism, by the way, the world was created in the fall, so the March date is out. The Hebrew month of Nisan (March-April) being the "first month" only comes as a result of the Exodus. Now seeing as the Hebrew date is currently one full month into the year 5767 and that our common era is counted as a couple of months left in 2006. I think we can say from 5767-2006=3761 that the world was created in 3761 BCE, sometime in September or October assuming the same 12 month calendaring system for the civil calendar and the same lunisolar calendar for the Jewish (as there was obviously no metonic intercalation system in place. I would go for the 3761 date as the civil calendar has always been 2 or 3 months behind the Hebrew calendar in terms of the New Year. The first of tishrei would have been in the Autumn of the year 3761 BCE. Valley2city 05:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lack of objectivity

"The term common era is preferred by some as an alternative to the more overtly religious AD and BC, since Common Era does not explicitly make use of religious titles for Jesus, Christ and Lord, that are used in the AD/BC notation." I think that an enciclopedia should be objective, thus BCE instead of BC is preferable.

That'd be just fine if we were just starting now, unfortunately we've been using BC/AD for long enough that purposely abandoning them is not objectivity.

[edit] Nimrod/Sargon under significant people?

I feel that this should be removed, since there is no citation of this link, and in addition Sargon is from 3000 BC, accoriding to his page.

I will leave it to the experts to do the actual removal, and send a comment to the person that made the original reference. CodeCarpenter 16:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

this is indeed nonsense. Sargon dates to the late 3rd millennium. dab (𒁳) 16:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speaking of examples of fine art

I believe that nothing can be compared to Egyptian palettes (Palettes with jackals,lions,Narmer's palette). They are so finely performed comparing to another, rude and primitive art of the same epoch. These probably should be included in the list as examples of "landmarks" in art of the 4th millennium. These palettes are as impressive (considering their age) as the famous (later made) pyramides! QuestPc 13:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] oldests

A) Is Ötzi the Iceman the oldest mummified human we've found?

B) Is Tiu, Thesh, Hsekiu, Wazner, Ro, Serket or Narmer the oldest person whose name we know? Is there someone older?

Kingturtle (talk) 06:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] *c. 4000 BC - God creates the universe including Adam and Eve according to a literal reading of the Hebrew Bible's Torah.

it was put back in because it is a widely held belief. Widely? And do beliefs really belong in EVENTS? Kingturtle (talk) 02:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Good question. There is another "belief" in the article c. 3100 BC – According to the legend, Menes unifies Upper and Lower Egypt, and a new capital is erected at Memphis. Will check 5th millennium BC for comparison. rossnixon 02:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)