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[edit] March 2007

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[edit] GameStreet Talk edits

This is in regard to your GameStreet Talk edits in the Ventrilo article. In order to avoid an edit war, which is prohibited on Wikipedia, I'm attempting to have a discussion about the matter here. If there is no response after awhile, say about one month, I will revert your edit and if you revert it back I will report it to the admins. In the Ventrilo article, all of the programs listed in the "Similar programs" are similar in the way that they exist solely for the purpose of voice chat and nothing else, and that they don't have centralized servers requiring a login. GST does considerably more than just voice chat and it uses centralized servers, which I hardly consider similar to Ventrilo. As far as I can tell, Skype and the many other VoIP programs are just as similar if not more than GST, plus Xfire and Xfire wannabes like GST, and I think you know that things would get cluttered really quick if they qualified as similar to Ventrilo. --Pilot_51 (☏) 20:17, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Defending GST

I dont really see the distinction here. GST is used primarily as a voice chat client just like Ventrilo or TeamSpeak. The only difference is the central server which in most cases is a more desirable since the user does not need to host it somewhere. Does that fact change its basic function? No. GST is simply the next generation of voice chat software that happens to add more features. XFire is not a valid comparison because that was primarily an in-game IM client that later added voice to it. Its still primarily used for IM rather than voice and I never hear a comparison of XFire to Ventrilo. Skype was build for person-to-person calls which later added conference calls which I agree doesnt really compare. When a user sets out to choose a voice chat solution, they can choose Ventrilo, Teamspeak or GST because the all offer the same basic features. Dont penalize GST just because it expands on the traditional role of a voice chat client. I still use it the same way I would if I still used Ventrilo, create a channel and jump in with my guild mates. So whats the difference? To add one more thing, if TeamSpeak or Roger Wilco added IM support, would it disqualify them from this comparison?


I see what you're getting at, but the line needs to be drawn somewhere to prevent "similar programs" from becoming too broad. I think it should be drawn at how the program is operated. In this case, Vent is on the exact same playing field as TeamSpeak, Mumble, and Roger Wilco in that it requires a server that the users themselves host rather than the company behind the program. Sure, GST might be something that people would prefer to use instead of one of those programs, but the same could be said for even less related programs. I think if someone wants to find alternatives, they should research in articles that cover the general purpose that they want rather than articles for programs remotely similar to what they want. In this case I would recommend that people check out the Voice chat article if they want to find out what all the voice chat programs are, where GST is more than welcome. All of the modern decentralized voice chat programs that I know of have text chat support between users in a server, but they can't support IM as most people know it because that kind of IM requires a central server to relay the information and it would need a way to track people via user registrations or something. It would never happen, but to answer your question if it would disqualify them from this comparison if it did happen, I say it depends if the program would still work for voice chat without connection or registration on a centralized server. --Pilot_51 (☏) 19:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)