Talk:1703 Genroku earthquake

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[edit] Disaster naming conventions

A quick review of relevant factors in the naming of this article and others like it were considered in some detail by interested editors in December 2007. For more details, see the threads which developed at

• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disaster management#Renaming 1703 Genroku earthquake?
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Renaming 1703 Genroku earthquake?

As I understood it, the general consensus seemed to be trending towards something like this:

• 1. MOS:JA should be modified to incorporate the guidelines suggested by Wikipedia:WikiProject Disaster management, but with a modest exception-to-the-general-rule variation -- that disasters in Japan during the years 645 through 1867 are more fully described in this format: <<year>><<nengō>><<place>><<event>>.
• 2. MOS:JA suggests that an explanation and internal link to Japanese era name should be incorporated into any article with a nengō in its title.
• 3. When the name of a disastrous event seems historically well-settled, as in the Great Kantō earthquake, that familiar identification will remain unaffected by any contrived Wiki-standards, but plausibly redundant redirect-links should be created to help all users ....

ILLUSTRATIONS OF PROPOSED NAMING

• 887 Ninna-Nakai earthquake
• 1361 Shōhei-Nankai earthquake
• 1498 Meiō-Nankai earthquake
• 1605 Keichō-Nankai earthquake
• 1703 Genroku-Edo earthquake
• 1854 Ansei-Nankai earthquake
• 1855 Ansei-Edo earthquake

___________

• 1923 Kantō earthquake <<--- REDIRECT Great Kanto Earthquake
• 1923 Kantō earthquake <<--- REDIRECT 1923 Great Kanto Earthquake

As a practical matter, I would be prepared to do the necessary work to move

• 1703 Genroku earthquake MOVE TO --->> 1703 Genroku-Edo earthquake

As a practical matter, it would probably not be a good idea to move

• 1703 Genroku earthquake MOVE TO --->> Great Genroku earthquake
• 1703 Genroku earthquake MOVE TO --->> 1703 Great Genroku earthquake

Any new articles I create will only follow the guideline-#1-above; and I'll create redirects whenever any source calls any particular fire or earthquake "great" .... In other words, despite the fact that I've read about the "Great Ansei earthquake" and "Great Ansei fire" in more than one reference source, and despite the fact that the 1703 earthquake in Edo is said to have mesured 8.3 on the Richter Scale, I guess I would probably ignore the "great" when creating a new article. In other words, that's what I'm taking away from the discussion thread, e.g.,

• 1703 Genroku-Edo earthquake <<--- REDIRECT 1703 Great Genroku earthquake
• 1854 Ansei-Nankai earthquake
• 1855 Ansei-Edo earthquake <<--- REDIRECT Great Ansei earthquake

If someone else wants to do the work of moving things around for any reason, fine -- good. But for me, the User:Hoary re-statement of guideline-#1-above seems to have articulated a credible standard, as long as there are appropriate re-direct links. The consensus seemed to have focused on "great" in 20th century contexts, but with much less engagement in pre-Meiji period disasters which would have been called "great" ....

Tentative bottom line: I'm posting these thoughts here as an indication of my current thinking; but I'll re-visit these ideas again after the first of the year. This is something like a public space, but it's not likely to be noticed by anyone other than those who are already in the process of working through how to resolve these kinds of issues, I reckon. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 19:53, 28 December 2007 (UTC)