User talk:157.228.98.181

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[edit] FisherQueen

Since you're blocked already as User:157.228.118.212, you are blocked under any IP. I'll help you out by adding a block here; there are already admins reviewing your contributions at the 3RR board and on your other talk page, so there's no need to use a second IP while blocked. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

But I have stopped editing WP mainspace the moment I realised there was a "case". I was just trying to respond to the accusations against me in the 3RR page. What can I do to respond? --157.228.98.181 (talk) 15:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
You're already doing it; you're using the unblock template to discuss it at your own talk page. There isn't anything further that you need to do; LOTS of admins review the list of people requesting unblock. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I am not abusing multiple accounts. How is that an abuse since from the very beggining of the whole ordeal [1] and especially from the moment I have realised that there was a case [2] I've identified myself (as the same user)? Do I need to request an unblock here too?
Also , I am not evading any block. I have stopped editing wikipedia’s mainspace from the moment I've realised that there was a 3RR case. Minutes before I thought that it was a random case of misunderstanding an "anonymous" user, as I have experienced with User:Keilana and started to investigate further. How do you know or presume that I am a "she"? --157.228.98.181 (talk) 16:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] concerns

I feel that this is becoming a "bashing-the-'anon'-user" case. I have tried to explain most of my edits with extensive edit summaries and use of the the talk pages, making it blatantly obvious that it is the same person editing. Where is your considered concerns in any of my edits with all the IP's involved that supposedly deserved a 31-hour ban (without any warning or any discussion in any talk page, at that too)?

  1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/157.228.98.181
  2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/157.228.118.212
  3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/157.228.99.211

-- 157.228.98.181 (talk) 16:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I have unblocked the other account. Bearian (talk) 17:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Please consider unblocking this account too. I do not know what you mean by that "not because you did the right thing but..."; do you feel that there is a grave concern somewhere? --157.228.98.181 (talk) 17:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, since you seem to be somewhat convinced that I was "edit-warring". Are my extensive edit summaries not enough to justify reverts (back to long established versions, combating vandalism or blatant POV pushing etc) especially considering the dubious editing behaviour of users as User:Realtycoon? Have you considered his/her behaviour at all? --157.228.98.181 (talk) 17:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Care for a response? Apparently, according to you, I was "incivil" too. Please, can you point-out my incivility? Above I have included a list of my contributions and the IP's involved. Maybe somewhat satirical commends as this or this(which by the way were not directed to anyone in particular) are perceived as incivility? --157.228.98.181 (talk) 15:08, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit behaviour

What do I mean by that dubious edit behaviour of the particular user and many other as him/her (in many areas but particularly in contagious issues as this).

User:Realtycoon firstly appeared here. S/he continued by POV-tagging various Macedonia related articles [3] [4]. From a long standing contributor (as s/he claims in his user page) , quoting also some WP guidelines, s/he is transformed to a total newbie (being incapable setting a case [5], making "newbie" mistakes as in here ; s/he is then, transformed into a somewhat experienced user, yet again (calling me a "Wiki-Lawyer") up to even calling upon WP:ARBMAC here, albeit with some crudeness. Long story short, I feel that this user is trying very hard to portray a newbie profile. S/he is involved in this charade, just to to involve editors/administrators, that may not be familiar with this case and its many specifics, using them in order to push his/her POV. --157.228.98.181 (talk) 18:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I feel that I just have to respond to these accusations. First of all, I have made a proposal on the RfC page to hopefully settle the dispute of lack of a better work POV pushing by both Macedonians and Greeks. However, your statements of "I feel that this user is trying very hard to portray a newbie profile. S/he is involved in this charade, just to to involve editors/administrators, that may not be familiar with this case and its many specifics, using them in order to push his/her POV.

is libelous and false. I am a long contributer to wikipedia. What I am not is a contributer (until now) in the wild world of Wikipedia-Politics regarding the various rules, regulations, manuals of style, and disputes between editors that seem to be one of the biggest flaws and threats to wikipedia and it's "Open Collaboration" and "Wiki" concepts.

I prefer to edit and fix articles and contribute any information that I come across, that are a useful contribution to this community. I honestly just don't have the time or patients for the "Wikipolitics BS". Leave your personal attacks against me out of it.

Let's just settle this like adults and hopefully you can see the fairness of my proposal of a poll/consensus for the page in question.

Regards,

Realtycoon (talk) 23:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request

This blocked user (block log | autoblocks | rangeblocks | unblock | contribs | deleted contribs) has asked to be unblocked, but an administrator has reviewed and declined this request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock request while you are blocked.

Request reason: "For the reasons stated above and in multiple other places. Thanks"

Decline reason: "block already expired. You are free to edit.--Jayron32.talk.contribs 17:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)"

Please make any further unblock requests by using the {{unblock}} template. However, abuse of the template may result in your talk page being protected.

-- Just for the record I protest that block too and the complete lack of response from the involved admins. --157.228.98.181 (talk) 17:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I have responded at several places, inlcuding this talk page, my talk page, and the notice board. I do not think it will be productive to comment any further. Bearian (talk) 17:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I am sorry but pseudo-quoting wikipedia policies and guidelines won't cut it here. I am not looking for bad blood. I am looking for specific concerns for the IPs involved. Did you express your concerns for any other party involved? Where exactly (noticeboard) did you commend? -- 157.228.98.181 (talk) 17:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
It was posted on the board linked above. It appeared to me that there were three reverts in rapid succession, which would lead to a block -- which is used to prevent immediate further damage to WP. However, no one person reverted more than three times in 24 hours, so I unblocked. I apologized, and moved on. I think the discussion has already been archived at WP:3RR. You and the other parties were not technically reverting three times in 24 hours, so I unblocked. However, all of you were vey much involved in an edit war, for which I use my discretion not to block. None of this was meant to punish or harass anyone, only to prevent harm to this site. Take a breather. Move on, no harm was done. If you must insist, you may file a complaint at WP:RFC. Bearian (talk) 17:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
The exact link is at this link here. Bearian (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I've seen that discussion. I have seen no apology. But I am, I always was striving to be 'coolheaded' (and I have been around for some while now ...), that's what I’m trying to get across here. If it's not too much to ask, please give me two minutes of your time and check my latest revert-edit here. What do you think about it? Is it my response appropriate, do I/we need to do more? --157.228.98.181 (talk) 17:55, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I have no idea about the nationality or languages of said persons, so I can not presume that such would be vandalism. It looks like a content dispute. That is not my gig. I'll aplogize at the notice board, OK? Bearian (talk) 18:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I probably needed to make it clearer. I did not expect you to commend on the content but on the overall edit patterns, edit summaries etc. I’ve called it soapboxing not WP:Vandalism and also to remind you that I also referred to a content dispute in the alleged 3RR case [. Anyway, I do not want you to think that I 'm trying to lure you (or anyone else for that matter) into the "dark-side" of the "Macedonia-name dispute"’s specifics and trivialities. As for the apology, thank you. You can also edit your Unblock –reason at my talk page here. This is not an ego-driven trip but since I do like to edit bearing only my IP, I would like to avoid any stigma associated with incivility, vandalism, abusing sock-puppetry and the like. --157.228.98.181 (talk) 18:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I just changed it in an edit conflict. Bearian (talk) 20:49, 20 March 2008 (UTC) I have to do some work for which I get paid! Bearian (talk) 20:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I am sorry but I also work too. Where are these "uncivil manners” you are talking about? This entire nonsensical ordeal "cost" me two blocks, one for "edit-war, vandalism and POV pushing" and another for "Ban evading” and “multiple accounts abusing". At the same time nobody saw how other parties manipulated the 3RR reporting tool, how they were shouting obscenities as "Vandal”, "BAN” the sock-puppeteer and the like. --157.228.98.181 (talk) 21:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Endorsement needed for RfC with User:Realtycoon

Hi there, I am currently starting a dispute resolution process for user Realtycoon's excessive edit warring at Alexander the Great (disambiguation) and I require the assistance of another user. I was hoping that since you were involved with this situation at one point, that you would be willing to endorse my request for comment by signing the request where needed, and by contacting Realtycoon in order to achieve a resolution. My attempts while perfectly civil, have all failed. Thank you for your time. --ž¥łǿχ (ŧäłķ | čøŋŧřīъ§) 18:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I will gladly contribute my views. Currently, I'm not capable to, because this IP address is blocked and I do not intend to "switch IPs" just to evade a ban (as alleged by some people). Even if unblocked, I intend not to make any edits in WP's Mainspace for a period of 12 to 24 hours as a self-inflicting ban (since it seems that I did not and was not given satisfactory explanations). I have to stress though that, I believe that I have not violated, either technically (to my knowledge) or in spirit any of WP's policies, rules and guidelines. --157.228.98.181 (talk) 19:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC))
You don't need to worry about the request for comment anymore since the issue has been resolved and the RfC has been closed. I'm sorry to hear about your troubles with the blocks. Good luck in the future. --ž¥łǿχ (ŧäłķ | čøŋŧřīъ§) 17:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)